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Radcliffe Emerson · 10-07-2002, 08:31 AM

They did present some of Finkelstein's case about dating the supposed gates of Solomon to the 8th century, and why he thought Ahab built most of the monuments.
One interesting thing I picked up was a comment by Devers. I thought I had read before Christian claims the Devers completely disagreed with Finkelstein on most things.
When Finkelstein's assertion that the Canannites and Israelites are the same people was made, Devers' ONLY disagreement with it was he thinks they were both nomads and farmers, and Finkelstein thinks they were all nomads.

The comment by the third archaeologist concerning Dr Ruth was very funny.

Animesh · 10-07-2002, 01:27 PM

When I was in High School -- public school, btw -- back in the early 80's, I noticed that our Global History textbook did something similar. When discussing any religion, they would say that the followers "believe" this happened or that happend, and that in their "mythology", it says this or that. When it came time for Christ, they said he "lived" and that he "did" this and that.

And to think, I keep hearing how "they" took god out of the public schools.

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Originally posted by gsx1138:
I passed over it but thanks for bringing it up. I'll have to watch it now. I'm a History, TLC, Discovery channel junkie. However, I have noticed a disturbing trend on those channels. When they do a special on christianity they never refer to it as christian mythology. They'll talk about Greek and Roman Mythology but seem to infer that Christianity is fact.

Plebe · 10-07-2002, 01:38 PM

Animesh,gsx1138 and everyone else, I notice the disturbing trend for what it is: remaining as 'neutral' and 'inoffensive' to a broad viewership by those networks carrying the shows. I heard one radio talkshow host say for example that he discusses what people want to hear not necessarily what he really thinks on the matters.
Remember, we are all watching public television which can rarely reach the levels of honesty found through a scholarly study of subjects because public television is 'emotion driven' If you'll note, the 'grade level' of most of the language and content on those shows is between 6th and 8th grade levels.
If I watch them, it is usually late at night so I can become more sleepy. The photography is first rate but the content is IMHO just superficial drivel with truth and half truths mixed in to satisfy a broad audience...

Animesh When I was in High School -- public school, btw -- back in the early 80's, I noticed that our Global History textbook did something similar. When discussing any religion, they would say that the followers "believe" this happened or that happend, and that in their "mythology", it says this or that. When it came time for Christ, they said he "lived" and that he "did" this and that.
And to think, I keep hearing how "they" took god out of the public schools.

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Originally posted by gsx1138:
I passed over it but thanks for bringing it up. I'll have to watch it now. I'm a History, TLC, Discovery channel junkie. However, I have noticed a disturbing trend on those channels. When they do a special on christianity they never refer to it as christian mythology. They'll talk about Greek and Roman Mythology but seem to infer that Christianity is fact.
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Radorth · 10-07-2002, 06:49 PM

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They'll talk about Greek and Roman Mythology but seem to infer that Christianity is fact.

I bet they think Santa Claus is a myth too. Maybe they used the free-thinking Durant's "old" methodology and decided there was a vast difference in the evidence, and the Gospel objections consist mainly of gratuitous assertions, contradictory logic, cynical assumptions, nitpicking and other unconvincing minutiae.

What's disturbing is the mindless comparison of ANY myth with the Gospels, and the kind of thinking which is called "free."

Radorth

Kosh · 10-07-2002, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth:


I bet they think Santa Claus is a myth too. Maybe they used the free-thinking Durant's "old" methodology and decided there was a vast difference in the evidence, and the Gospel objections consist mainly of gratuitous assertions, contradictory logic, cynical assumptions, nitpicking and other unconvincing minutiae.

What's disturbing is the mindless comparison of ANY myth with the Gospels, and the kind of thinking which is called "free."

Radorth

Then rather than continually posting sarcastic remarks, why don't you start a couple threads, explain to us how we're all wrong, and bring us back into the fold with your irrefutable logic?

C'mon Radorth, put your money where your mouth is.

Radorth · 10-08-2002, 07:06 AM

Given the gratuitous chatter above, I'd say my remarks were appropriate. I'd start a lot of threads if Jesus didn't make me work for a living.

Radorth

Radcliffe Emerson · 10-08-2002, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by LadyShea:
I miss the good stuff on THC because 9 times out of 10 I flip to channel 43 and it's about WWII. I have gotten a bit pissed and ignored the channel lately.

That's why the online guide I have on Directv comes in very handy. I can see what the program's about before tuning into it.

Radorth · 10-08-2002, 08:19 AM

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That's why the online guide I have on Directv comes in very handy. I can see what the program's about before tuning into it.

Isn't it great? We don't have to listen even a few minutes to anything which might be intellectually disturbing. Of course I did come to appreciate the evidence for evolution on the Discovery Channel, forcing me to integrate it into a more intelligent world-view. It is painful though, I admit. I'd much prefer to simply judge the motives of the producers based on the title of the program.

Radorth

[ October 08, 2002: Message edited by: Radorth ]

braces_for_impact · 10-08-2002, 08:27 AM

Though you work for a living, as do I, I see you have time for more flippant comments but none for serious topic discussion.

Radcliffe Emerson · 10-08-2002, 08:48 AM

I find anything concerning the Christian faith extremely intellectually disturbing.

[ October 08, 2002: Message edited by: Radcliffe Emerson ]

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10-07-2002, 08:31 AM	#11
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	They did present some of Finkelstein's case about dating the supposed gates of Solomon to the 8th century, and why he thought Ahab built most of the monuments. One interesting thing I picked up was a comment by Devers. I thought I had read before Christian claims the Devers completely disagreed with Finkelstein on most things. When Finkelstein's assertion that the Canannites and Israelites are the same people was made, Devers' ONLY disagreement with it was he thinks they were both nomads and farmers, and Finkelstein thinks they were all nomads. The comment by the third archaeologist concerning Dr Ruth was very funny.

10-07-2002, 01:38 PM	#13
Plebe Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Contra Costa County Posts: 168	Animesh,gsx1138 and everyone else, I notice the disturbing trend for what it is: remaining as 'neutral' and 'inoffensive' to a broad viewership by those networks carrying the shows. I heard one radio talkshow host say for example that he discusses what people want to hear not necessarily what he really thinks on the matters. Remember, we are all watching public television which can rarely reach the levels of honesty found through a scholarly study of subjects because public television is 'emotion driven' If you'll note, the 'grade level' of most of the language and content on those shows is between 6th and 8th grade levels. If I watch them, it is usually late at night so I can become more sleepy. The photography is first rate but the content is IMHO just superficial drivel with truth and half truths mixed in to satisfy a broad audience... Animesh When I was in High School -- public school, btw -- back in the early 80's, I noticed that our Global History textbook did something similar. When discussing any religion, they would say that the followers "believe" this happened or that happend, and that in their "mythology", it says this or that. When it came time for Christ, they said he "lived" and that he "did" this and that. And to think, I keep hearing how "they" took god out of the public schools. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by gsx1138: I passed over it but thanks for bringing it up. I'll have to watch it now. I'm a History, TLC, Discovery channel junkie. However, I have noticed a disturbing trend on those channels. When they do a special on christianity they never refer to it as christian mythology. They'll talk about Greek and Roman Mythology but seem to infer that Christianity is fact. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Given the gratuitous chatter above, I'd say my remarks were appropriate. I'd start a lot of threads if Jesus didn't make me work for a living. Radorth

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braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Though you work for a living, as do I, I see you have time for more flippant comments but none for serious topic discussion.

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