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Amie · 01-27-2003, 08:23 PM

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Is there anything more pathetic than a young woman in love with an imaginary deity?

yes. animosity towards the "young woman in love with an imaginary deity"...

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The Roman Catholic Church still teaches that it is, "true and solid, in which one and the same way of salvation appears throughtout the whole world." CCC 174:61

I do hope the church can step up to the plate and take some responsibility for some past transgressions just to show accountability. I am not going to hold my breath though, but it would be nice...

01-27-2003, 09:12 PM

Puis X society. I think they are a good bunch and have a voice. They at least put the brakes on Vatican II and I think good things will come out of that.

Gemma Therese · 01-28-2003, 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by B.Shack
We're all sorry for Gemma Therese. She's so keen to get herself what she imagines will be a reward in heaven. She denies herself what any normal woman wants. She denies herself a warm fulfilling relationship with a loving, caring partner. Here's what she says.
She's like so many catholics, protestant fundies and a few other Christians. She makes herself miserable now because she imagines will be a reward later.

B.Shack, what is a "normal woman" in your view, and who are you to define normality?

Miserable? I assure you I am as happy now as I have ever been.

Gemma Therese

Proxima Centauri · 01-28-2003, 05:53 AM

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B.Shack, what is a "normal woman" in your view, and who are you to define normality?
Miserable? I assure you I am as happy now as I have ever been.

Gemma Therese

A normal woman is a woman who wants a fulfilling relationship with a caring partner.
You told us once before you had a hard life. Your posts here show you as a person adicted to giving and receiving pain. I doubt if you've ever been happy. I'm sorry for you. Try and overcome the adiction to pain.

Bree · 01-28-2003, 07:14 AM

If you want to psycho-analyse Gemma, please feel free to do so in another thread.

Thanks.

Infinity Lover · 01-28-2003, 08:04 AM

Okay, now that's over with perhaps I could ask my questions again.

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
Why should the Church confess to that which is not Truth?

Shouldn't that be 'to that which is believed not to be true'?
It still boils down to a matter of belief and faith, doesn't it?

Gemma Therese · 01-28-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by B.Shack
A normal woman is a woman who wants a fulfilling relationship with a caring partner.
You told us once before you had a hard life. Your posts here show you as a person adicted to giving and receiving pain. I doubt if you've ever been happy. I'm sorry for you. Try and overcome the adiction to pain.

I want a fulfilling relationship with Chirst.

I am addicted to giving and receicing pain???? Please validate. I think you are addicted to following me around these boards.

Gemma Therese

Gemma Therese · 01-29-2003, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Infinity Lover
Okay, now that's over with perhaps I could ask my questions again.

Shouldn't that be 'to that which is believed not to be true'?
It still boils down to a matter of belief and faith, doesn't it?

The Truth is -- if no one on the face of the Earth believed in the Truth, the Truth would still not change.

In recent times, there has been a huge amount of subjectivity in religion. "My religion is equal to your religion", "Whatever works for you", "Whatever makes you *feel* good", etc. But there can be no subjectivity in religion because there can be no subjectivity in Truth. All religions cannot possibly bear the same relationship to the Truth.

Gemma Therese

Infinity Lover · 01-29-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
The Truth is -- if no one on the face of the Earth believed in the Truth, the Truth would still not change.

In recent times, there has been a huge amount of subjectivity in religion. "My religion is equal to your religion", "Whatever works for you", "Whatever makes you *feel* good", etc. But there can be no subjectivity in religion because there can be no subjectivity in Truth. All religions cannot possibly bear the same relationship to the Truth.

Gemma Therese

That's the whole problem... though reality (or "the Truth" with a capitol T if you prefer) is an absolute in itself, people's perception of it never truelly will be. Same as all religions cannot possibly bear the same relationship to the truth, one particular religion can't honestly claim to hold the only proper one either. People within that religion can't even claim to have the one proper perception of it's 'relationship to the truth'.

Which brings me back to square one, with my question basicly unanswered. Let me frase it slightly different.
How could Roman Catholisism ever honestly claim to have the only proper perception of the truth? And couldn't it at most assert to merely believe it has the only proper perception of the truth?

It still boils down to a matter of belief and faith, doesn't it?

Gemma Therese · 01-29-2003, 12:27 PM

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It still boils down to a matter of belief and faith, doesn't it? [/B]

No, it doesn't, and I answered your question. Maybe not to your liking, but I answered it.

Gemma Therese

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01-27-2003, 09:12 PM	#12
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Puis X society. I think they are a good bunch and have a voice. They at least put the brakes on Vatican II and I think good things will come out of that.

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