Autonemesis

Inferior by what measure? What exceptions would you be thinking of?

RRoman

And of course, yguy hasn't provided evidence for Godots "Got Proof" points.

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by yguy
Although polygamy was not prohibited by Mosaic law that I'm aware, neither did it have the divine seal of approval. The precedent started with Abraham, who found it convenient to obey his wife's idiotic suggestion, which produced the progenitor of the Arab race which troubles Israel to this day. Hardly a glowing testimonial for polygamy.

Polygamy produced the twelve sons of Jacob and thereby the twelve tribes of Israel. If not for polygamy, there might not have been an Israel to begin with.

yguy

Nothing recent, as I haven't had access to that particular one-eyed monster for years. The most recent example would be an episode of "Touched by and Angel" where the Angel says to a homosexual something like, "What makes you think God would send you to Hell for being gay" - the implication being that it would be like sending him to Hell for being black. If you remember the series "Dynasty", the character Adam Carrington was pictured as a really courageous and together guy for "coming out".

In the 90's, I remember a segment on NPR's All Things Considered about "dot.commers" who were so flush that they were able to give a lot of money to charity. One such woman was interviewed, and said she contributed to, of all things, a "gay and lesbian halfway house" or something to that effect - the subliminal message being that anyone who contributed to such a cause is a paragon of compassion. Think they picked her at random? And of course it seems that no segment regarding culture or entertainment is complete without a "gay" perspective.

I AM making the claim that traditional marriage is less amenable to selfishness than other relationships.

Look: children learn how marriages work by observing their parents. How on earth can children raised in a homosexual union learn how a traditional marriage works? To expect that such unions would produce mainly children who grow up and do traditional marriage is obvoiusly silly.

As I said, the effects may not be seen immediately, any more than people die immediately upon contracting HIV.

If you can't see that, I haven't the foggiest idea how to get the point across. It seems patent to me.

Indeed, many Americans are "intellectually sophisticated" including Martin Seligman.

Gender-confused parents will obviously tend to produce gender-confused children. If you don't see anything wrong about transvestism or transsexualism, and if you think what Michael Jackson has become isn't Frankensteinian, then I guess increasing instances of such things aren't a problem for you. If you don't have a problem with such people becoming fixtures in retail stores and the like, believe me, plenty of people will; and businesses which hire them will drive away normal customers.

yguy

Since the lesbian couple has ultimate authority over its child regardless of what the males think, and vice versa, that would be a no.

Great. By the time it's testable, it will be too late.

That has nothing to do with it. We're talking about the right to say what we think, not dictate. Dr. Laura was successfully intimidated into backing off from the issue, not because anything she said wasn't true, but because some people didn't want to hear it.

http://www.ilja-schmelzer.de/Rind/Rind1998.html

The current president of the American Psychological Association, Martin Seligman, wrote of his positive experiences at age 9 in the 1950s with a newspaper man he met each day on the way to school. The contact that occurred between them, as Seligman noted, would today be labeled child sexual abuse.
But, for him, it was not abuse. This was the first adult who took him seriously, who was willing to discuss the issues of the world with him (gotten from the newspapers he was selling). Seligman reflected that, had authorities intervened and questioned him about the man, had his parents overreacted, had they forced him to see a therapist who insisted to him that he was a victim, then the whole experience would have become quite negative, when in fact it remains positive for him to this day.
In one of his recent books, Seligman reviewed some of the research on the correlates of CSA and concluded, as we have, that mental health researchers have vastly overstated the harmful potential of CSA. He commented that "it is time to turn down the volume" on this issue that has risen to histrionic proportions. He further noted that children who are really maltreated and who suffer should be seen as victims and need to be helped. But to impose victimhood on those who don't feel victimized is to risk iatrogenic victimization - that is, causing symptoms in them that the actual sexual events did not cause.

http://www.narth.com/docs/symposium.html

Then I guess you don't see how taking homosexuality off the list constituted its acceptance either.

yguy

There are certainly plenty of heterosexual relationships which fit that description superficially which I would call perverted, since any dominance by one partner or the other is the result of seduction or intimidation, which are both forms of the same thing. I think the man should be dominant, but only by the woman's full consent - like the soldier who has so much respect for his CO that he'll willingly follow him into hell.

None.

yguy

This appears to be your strongest evidence:

Of the relatives whose sexual orientation could be confidently rated, 34 (48%) of 71 monozygotic cotwins, six (16%) of 37 dizygotic cotwins, and two (6%) of 35 adoptive sisters were homosexual.

The correlation evidently is highest in identical twins. However, since each twin was presumably raised under the same roof with its sibling, it follows that they shared similar environmental influences. It is hardly surpising that children who are genetically identical would react to similar influences in a similar fashion. In fact, if homosexuality were mainly genetic, one would reasonably expect the correlation to be much higher, I should think.

Dr Rick

In other words:

P) It was marriage that made the USA great.

C1) This clearly shows the value of the Ten Commandments which don't prescribe marriage.

C2) Furthermore, we can't allow homosexual marriages, fornication, or pedophilia because the commandments don't address those, either.

Dr Rick

If homosexuality was mainly environmental, you wouldn't expect genetically unidentical siblings to have homosexuality rates that are 1/3 or less of identical twins; you would expect the rates to be similar

Autonemesis

Oh, and don't forget Bosom Buddies!

Maybe I shouldn't mention Oz or QAF?

That's right, baby, we're taking over the world!!! Better get rid of your plaid Bermuda shorts while you still can, 'cause when we've got the White House, Congress and the Supreme - no the Fabulous Court, that will be a Capital Crime!!!!