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Nic Tamzek · 04-21-2003, 01:55 PM

Ah, there it was, post 153, first link posted...

Late_Cretaceous · 04-21-2003, 02:00 PM

somebody calling themself "pragmatic_asian" at free republic said "He [Trudeau] further misrepresents Creationism as being incompatible with intellectual development."

What a laugh. Creationism IS incompatible with intellectual develpment, just as much as sniffing gasoline to get high is.

Nic Tamzek · 04-21-2003, 02:01 PM

...and by 163, Ichneumon is posting 10+ FAQs at once.l

I'm just interested in this as it is apparently an evo debate starting in a forum with people who at least mostly don't have debates about evolution, at least with informed people. So seeing their reactions is interesting...

nic

Nic Tamzek · 04-21-2003, 02:03 PM

Here's a new one I hadn't heard before:

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The "age rings" in the ice core from Greenland (I could be wrong on the location) that allegedly showed an age of many many thousands of years, until a WWII aircraft was found underneath those thousands of years worth of ice.

MortalWombat · 04-21-2003, 03:15 PM

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The "age rings" in the ice core from Greenland (I could be wrong on the location) that allegedly showed an age of many many thousands of years, until a WWII aircraft was found underneath those thousands of years worth of ice.

Err, not quite. The famous "Lost Squadron" that ditched their planes during an ice storm in Greenland in 1942 landed on a flowing glacier, not on a stable ice field where ice core samples are taken.

jhallum · 04-21-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Nic Tamzek
...and by 163, Ichneumon is posting 10+ FAQs at once.l

I'm just interested in this as it is apparently an evo debate starting in a forum with people who at least mostly don't have debates about evolution, at least with informed people. So seeing their reactions is interesting...

nic

Actually, there is a relatively decent sized pro-evo group on FR. About a dozen of us cover the ground against the much larger creationist contingent. Any thread that has the poster crevo_list in it is likely a pretty hefty battleground. This thread is odd that most of the pro-evo folks haven't camped out on it and done battle until much later in the thread. There is the The Ultimate Free Republic Cre/Evo resource which is an amalgamation of all of the crevo wars on Free Republic to date. Hell, we even got Ted Holden booted not too long ago.

It's important for me to note that I'm not particularly conservative. Despite that, it's actually not too bad, once you figure out which posts to skip, and it can be a useful news service, when balanced by other sources, and quite a few of the posters are quite intelligent. Hell, I've been there for almost 2 years, and I still haven't been found out yet, unlike Baptist Board.

Valentine Pontifex · 04-21-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by pz
It's a talk.origins thing, an observation that was made by Bruce Salem years ago. To quote a feedback post on the subject, the "Salem Hypothesis states that creationists with formal educations are more likely to be engineers than they are to be other kinds of scientists. This hypothesis is supported primarily by anecdotal evidence: a good number of creationists who post to talk.origins claim to be engineers, and creationist organizations seem to be disproportionately populated by engineers."

Well here is anarticle from 1982 which discusses the engineering/creationism connection.

I don't know if it predates Salem or not, but the connection has been noted for decades.

Principia · 04-21-2003, 06:27 PM

Here's P. Johnson's reaction:

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[I don't know where or when George W.Bush is supposed to have said that, but I hope that impression is widespread. Most people are aware that President Bush is more intelligent than the typical liberal priest or minister Neither father Tim nor Zonker is an example of good sense, even in Doonesbury-land.]
[...]
The moral of this cartoon strip seems to be:

A cartoonist who gives in to a political obsession isn't funny any more.

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04-21-2003, 01:55 PM	#21
Nic Tamzek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 646	Ah, there it was, post 153, first link posted...

04-21-2003, 02:00 PM	#22
Late_Cretaceous Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Alberta Posts: 1,049	somebody calling themself "pragmatic_asian" at free republic said "He [Trudeau] further misrepresents Creationism as being incompatible with intellectual development." What a laugh. Creationism IS incompatible with intellectual develpment, just as much as sniffing gasoline to get high is.

04-21-2003, 02:01 PM	#23
Nic Tamzek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 646	...and by 163, Ichneumon is posting 10+ FAQs at once.l I'm just interested in this as it is apparently an evo debate starting in a forum with people who at least mostly don't have debates about evolution, at least with informed people. So seeing their reactions is interesting... nic

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