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Evolved · 03-05-2002, 01:24 PM

I talked to my Aunt again today, she said that the church she USED to go to was Lutheran-the church she is going to NOW is Presbyterian....the church she was baptised in.

Thanks for the link Ernest....could it be that the Reverend is Ukrainian and this ceremony had nothing to do with Lent and just a message of Friendship during the month of Easter? Maybe.

Too bad that I have been swaying my Mom from the church or she would have been there and could tell me a little more. She hasn't gone as much as she used to.

Colleen

daemon · 03-05-2002, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by PopeInTheWoods:
I must disagree here, as I've seen some pretty basic communion discrepancies in different Catholic churches. For example, none of the FOUR churches withing walking distance of my childhood home served wine with communion. I thought the churches that DID do so were weird. I've also seen churches that use real bread rather than that edible cardboard. It wouldn't surprise me if some church, whose parishoners were primarily of one ethnicity, pulled in some non-standard ethnic traditions.

Heh, Catholicism has always been a bizarre breeding ground of little ethnic variations, even on basic beliefs! I mean, take Voudoun or Santeria, for example--both of those are strange variations of Catholicism. In some areas of Africa, all of the priests marry, and bishops usually have multiple wives, due to local custom. Some Catholic churches have serious fundamentalist slants, some are even going charismatic (laying of hands, speaking in tongues, etc.). Catholicism is about as homogenous as Protestantism, in reality!

Ernest Sparks · 03-05-2002, 09:24 PM

Colleen,

Why don't you ask your aunt to ask at the new church what the salt is for? I suspect it is something entirely different from what has been discussed here.

Ernie

Evolved · 03-06-2002, 06:42 AM

My Aunt is special. She almost died as a result of a fever when she was 10 years old and it affected her. She's extremely shy and has very poor self esteem because was teased by kids, and some adults, growing up because she's "slow". She doesn't want to ask because she's afraid people will think she's stupid and retarded. A lot of times she just pretends she knows things and then asks family members when she has a chance to explain things to her.

It would be so much simpler if she would just ask but I understand why she won't.

Colleen

Richard1366 · 03-07-2002, 01:42 PM

A little bruschetta with chopped ripe roma tomatoes with fresh basil, and just a little salt coupled with a great chardonnay would be so much more civilized...

IvanK · 03-08-2002, 06:55 AM

What I wanna know is what's wrong with "the chocolate eclair of Christ, given for you?"

ohwilleke · 03-08-2002, 01:59 PM

In a Western Christian church I would imagine that salting the bread during Lent would be a sign of pennance (a bit like salt in the wounds) and an echo of the roles played by salt and bitter herbs in the Jewish Passover tradition.

03-08-2002, 02:35 PM

Maybe true but that would be a good Advent tradition. Lente is just opposite to Advent in this respect and does not want to be the salt of the earth but the annihilation of the earth-[liness]. Lente is opposite Passover in the sense that Passover spared the children and led them into the wildernis of the promised land and Lente ends the wildernis of the promised land.

More succinct, Advent is into purgatory and Lente is out of purgatory and into heaven.

[ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

Evolved · 03-08-2002, 03:03 PM

I found a verse in the bible that might be the answer, it's in Matthew 5:13. Jesus is speaking to his disciples. "Ye are the salt of the earth:but if the salt has lost it's savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden underfoot of men."

Just a thought.....

Colleen

03-08-2002, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Evolved:
I found a verse in the bible that might be the answer, it's in Matthew 5:13. Jesus is speaking to his disciples. "Ye are the salt of the earth:but if the salt has lost it's savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden underfoot of men."

Just a thought.....

Colleen

Exactly and that was at the beginning of his purgatory.

03-08-2002, 02:35 PM	#18
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe true but that would be a good Advent tradition. Lente is just opposite to Advent in this respect and does not want to be the salt of the earth but the annihilation of the earth-[liness]. Lente is opposite Passover in the sense that Passover spared the children and led them into the wildernis of the promised land and Lente ends the wildernis of the promised land. More succinct, Advent is into purgatory and Lente is out of purgatory and into heaven. [ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>

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03-05-2002, 01:24 PM	#11
Evolved Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Fargo ND Posts: 261	I talked to my Aunt again today, she said that the church she USED to go to was Lutheran-the church she is going to NOW is Presbyterian....the church she was baptised in. Thanks for the link Ernest....could it be that the Reverend is Ukrainian and this ceremony had nothing to do with Lent and just a message of Friendship during the month of Easter? Maybe. Too bad that I have been swaying my Mom from the church or she would have been there and could tell me a little more. She hasn't gone as much as she used to. Colleen

03-05-2002, 09:24 PM	#13
Ernest Sparks Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Portland, OR USA Posts: 1,248	Colleen, Why don't you ask your aunt to ask at the new church what the salt is for? I suspect it is something entirely different from what has been discussed here. Ernie

03-06-2002, 06:42 AM	#14
Evolved Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Fargo ND Posts: 261	My Aunt is special. She almost died as a result of a fever when she was 10 years old and it affected her. She's extremely shy and has very poor self esteem because was teased by kids, and some adults, growing up because she's "slow". She doesn't want to ask because she's afraid people will think she's stupid and retarded. A lot of times she just pretends she knows things and then asks family members when she has a chance to explain things to her. It would be so much simpler if she would just ask but I understand why she won't. Colleen

03-07-2002, 01:42 PM	#15
Richard1366 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,260	A little bruschetta with chopped ripe roma tomatoes with fresh basil, and just a little salt coupled with a great chardonnay would be so much more civilized...

03-08-2002, 06:55 AM	#16
IvanK Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,016	What I wanna know is what's wrong with "the chocolate eclair of Christ, given for you?"

03-08-2002, 01:59 PM	#17
ohwilleke Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Denver, Colorado, USA Posts: 4,834	In a Western Christian church I would imagine that salting the bread during Lent would be a sign of pennance (a bit like salt in the wounds) and an echo of the roles played by salt and bitter herbs in the Jewish Passover tradition.

03-08-2002, 03:03 PM	#19
Evolved Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Fargo ND Posts: 261	I found a verse in the bible that might be the answer, it's in Matthew 5:13. Jesus is speaking to his disciples. "Ye are the salt of the earth:but if the salt has lost it's savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden underfoot of men." Just a thought..... Colleen

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