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Veil of Fire · 08-31-2002, 11:05 AM

Did you really expect him to?

Daggah · 08-31-2002, 11:06 AM

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I personally congradulate Micheal Rose in writing this wonderful book to make Catholics across the Country aware that a lot of seminaries who are suppose to train priests instead support the gay-subculture which is contrary to Church teachings. It is time that the Catholic Church should not accept gay seminarians for ordination.

From an Amazon.com review. I quote this not to say that I agree with the review, per se, but to give info on what this book is about.

As far as I can tell, it's a fundy Catholic ranting and raving about Catholic doctrine becoming less bigoted and more reasonable.

What all this has with church pedophilia cases is anyone's guess...oh wait, let me guess...lcb is going to try and establish a link between pedophilia and homosexuality. Right.

Daggah · 08-31-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by Veil of Fire:
Did you really expect him to?

Nope.

tronvillain · 08-31-2002, 11:37 AM

I assume sodomites are simply people who participate in anal sex, but perhaps you have a more specific group in mind. While I definitely consider seducing children immoral (assuming my definition of children), I am unsure whether I consider it immoral for them to infiltrate "the church." I mean, does it simply mean they start going to church? I was under the impression that anyone could go.

Vibr8gKiwi · 08-31-2002, 11:45 AM

Oral sex is also sodomy.

lcb · 08-31-2002, 01:18 PM

you are right V, according the Uniform Code of Military Justice, oral sex is also considered sodomy.what is your point?

lcb · 08-31-2002, 04:30 PM

so we got ONE intelligent honest post from abacus admitting the obvious morally decent answer! amazing!

Autonemesis · 08-31-2002, 04:42 PM

No one owes you an answer to your loaded question, lcb, so this is a freebie - take it or leave it:

I think that to the extent any church official, whatever their position, were aware of abuse, harbored or covered up for abusers or encouraged or participated in abuse of children, or hindered investigations into same, they are liable for their contribution to the environment that allowed abusers to flourish, and should be held accountable for it civilly and in many cases criminally alongside the perpetrators of abuse.

Vibr8gKiwi · 08-31-2002, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by lcb:
you are right V, according the Uniform Code of Military Justice, oral sex is also considered sodomy.what is your point?

I was responding to the post above mine that was referring to sodomy as just anal sex. I was making it clear that due to the oral sex inclusion, "sodomites" are pretty much everyone I know (and if you're not one, you have my pity). Other than that I wasn't making a point.

Sorry I don’t have more to say, but I really don't understand your implication that "sodomites" seduce children. As I said, everyone I know is a "sodomite" but I don't know anyone who seduces children. But don't bother to clarify; I don't typically expect your posts to make much sense.

[ August 31, 2002: Message edited by: Vibr8gKiwi ]

lcb · 08-31-2002, 04:57 PM

thanks king bud, As you are well aware, there are plenty of loaded questions asked here by atheists.

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08-31-2002, 11:05 AM	#11
Veil of Fire Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 451	Did you really expect him to?

08-31-2002, 11:37 AM	#14
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	I assume sodomites are simply people who participate in anal sex, but perhaps you have a more specific group in mind. While I definitely consider seducing children immoral (assuming my definition of children), I am unsure whether I consider it immoral for them to infiltrate "the church." I mean, does it simply mean they start going to church? I was under the impression that anyone could go.

08-31-2002, 11:45 AM	#15
Vibr8gKiwi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 543	Oral sex is also sodomy.

08-31-2002, 01:18 PM	#16
lcb Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: washington d.c. Posts: 224	you are right V, according the Uniform Code of Military Justice, oral sex is also considered sodomy.what is your point?

08-31-2002, 04:30 PM	#17
lcb Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: washington d.c. Posts: 224	so we got ONE intelligent honest post from abacus admitting the obvious morally decent answer! amazing!

08-31-2002, 04:42 PM	#18
Autonemesis Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I've left FRDB for good, due to new WI&P policy Posts: 12,048	No one owes you an answer to your loaded question, lcb, so this is a freebie - take it or leave it: I think that to the extent any church official, whatever their position, were aware of abuse, harbored or covered up for abusers or encouraged or participated in abuse of children, or hindered investigations into same, they are liable for their contribution to the environment that allowed abusers to flourish, and should be held accountable for it civilly and in many cases criminally alongside the perpetrators of abuse.

08-31-2002, 04:57 PM	#20
lcb Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: washington d.c. Posts: 224	thanks king bud, As you are well aware, there are plenty of loaded questions asked here by atheists.

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