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scigirl · 01-23-2002, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by devnet:
Why eat? You know what happens to the food later!

Sigh, unfortunately I know more than I want to know sometimes! Anyone ever have to memorize the entire biochemical pathway of sugar digestion?

scigirl

01-23-2002, 08:51 AM

So what is depression other than the wrong outlook on life?

Thoughts of suicide arise out of the conflict between non-reason and reason and are irrational, to be sure, and therefore part reason. Non-reason is the mind of the animal man and it is the faculty of reason that makes man the rational animal.

Amos

[ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

tronvillain · 01-23-2002, 09:26 AM

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Sigh, unfortunately I know more than I want to know sometimes! Anyone ever have to memorize the entire biochemical pathway of sugar digestion?

Yes. Whew.

Bree · 01-23-2002, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Amos:

So what is depression other than the wrong outlook on life?

What do you think is the "right" outlook on life? What makes depression "wrong" per se?

-DM- · 01-23-2002, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by jojo-sa:
Atheist say this is the only time we have and when we dead its over?

I would like to know, if this is the case what reason would an atheist, who is really suffering and having a hard time with this life, use for not just ending it all by killing himself and going into the darkness of death???

To answer your question, I think that it is likely true that it is easier for an atheist to end his/her life in the face of extended suffering than for a theist, especially if the religion of that theis proscribes suicide.

Now a question for you, joj-jo: What are you hanging around for? Aren't you anxious to get to the promised land, the glorious hereafter with all its rewards for a virtuous Muslim?

[It seems that Christians and Muslims believe that the most wonderful thing that can happen to them is to go to Heaven, but few of them are in a hurry to make the trip.]

--Don--

Queen of Swords · 01-23-2002, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by jojo-sa:


I would like to know, if this is the case what reason would an atheist, who is really suffering and having a hard time with this life, use for not just ending it all by killing himself and going into the darkness of death???

No life insurance policy.

01-23-2002, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Bree:


What do you think is the "right" outlook on life? What makes depression "wrong" per se?

You don't really want me to say that depression is intrinsically wrong and has no purpose, right? Depresssion is like pain and does serve a purpose.

The ultimate right outlook on life is to have no purpose and just be [the purpose]. The problem with that is that we should have no dreams and if we do have dreams it is difficult to live like a dreamer without dreams. So maybe we should just be the end of our dreams.

Sorry, that's just some thoughts of mine but it is difficult for me to say what is right and wrong for others. "Be real" is a good beginning for everybody.

Amos

Ape · 01-23-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:


You don't really want me to say that depression is intrinsically wrong and has no purpose, right? Depresssion is like pain and does serve a purpose.

The ultimate right outlook on life is to have no purpose and just be [the purpose]. The problem with that is that we should have no dreams and if we do have dreams it is difficult to live like a dreamer without dreams. So maybe we should just be the end of our dreams.

Sorry, that's just some thoughts of mine but it is difficult for me to say what is right and wrong for others. "Be real" is a good beginning for everybody.

Amos

Quick question: What purpose do you think depression serves?

Sephiroth · 01-23-2002, 01:59 PM

Jojo-sa, please state why the lack of an afterlife belief would make someone less interested in living out this life.

Eudaimonist · 01-23-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by jojo-sa:
Atheist say this is the only time we have and when we dead its over?

The vast majority of atheists say this. It is my conclusion as well.

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I would like to know, if this is the case what reason would an atheist, who is really suffering and having a hard time with this life, use for not just ending it all by killing himself and going into the darkness of death???

When one suffers the future may seem bleak, but it is often the case that our troubles are temporary, and with a positive attitude a brighter future can be sought and found. A rational person can understand this, and a wise person may know this from personal experience.

Yet even a rational person may commit suicide if put in a concentration camp -- which may be for the best. In most cases, the rational person will seek the best in life.

01-23-2002, 08:51 AM	#12
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	So what is depression other than the wrong outlook on life? Thoughts of suicide arise out of the conflict between non-reason and reason and are irrational, to be sure, and therefore part reason. Non-reason is the mind of the animal man and it is the faculty of reason that makes man the rational animal. Amos [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>

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Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by jojo-sa: <strong> I would like to know, if this is the case what reason would an atheist, who is really suffering and having a hard time with this life, use for not just ending it all by killing himself and going into the darkness of death???</strong> No life insurance policy.

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Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 625	Jojo-sa, please state why the lack of an afterlife belief would make someone less interested in living out this life.

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