yguy

If strawmen were buildings, this one would be condemned.

God, how pathetic.

Salmon of Doubt

Thankyou for answering a few of my questions, dk, even if most of your answers appear to be incomprehensible question- dodging. Im sorry, I don't have time to read it carefully right now.

However I do notice that for the second time you have avoided my question about lesbians. Do you have anything against lesbians getting married or having kids? If so, why, and if not, why not?

Please answer the question this time.

yguy

y: Who are you to interfere with a mother's desire to exercise her reproductive rights by bearing her son's child?

p: I suppose I'm one of those who says, "Look, reproduction between individuals who share 50% of their genes increases the probability that the offspring will have genetic disorders by N%."

IOW, your desire to restrict the reproductive rights of those inclined towards incest has nothing to do with the impact of such offspring on society? Have I got that right?

Can't imagine why. The study you want has been done, in as real a setting as you could ask for. Before the Great Society programs, blacks were economically disadvantaged, but they still had strong families by and large. Enter the welfare advocates, making it easy for black men to "hit and run", and we have black kids now enslaved to gangleaders and drug dealers instead of whitey. Guys like Pat Moynihan saw it coming. Now that it's clear that their warnings were on target, you are somehow clownishly amazed, scratching your wooden head trying to figure out WHAT could POSSIBLY have gone wrong.

Clutch

yguy, I thought we'd established that you were going to get half a clue before popping off anymore.

dk, think hard, now. Your argument is: Asians have nuclear families; Asians graduate literate; therefore, nuclear families cause literacy.

Now, forget the absurd generalizations in both your premises -- everyone tunes them out by now anyhow. Just look at the validity of the argument.

By precisely parallel reasoning, any arbitrary feature of immigrant Asian people can be made the cause of literacy. This is known as reductio ad absurdum, a powerful form of refutation, and especially useful in cases of confounded statistical-causal or post hoc ergo propter hoc claims.

For example, many Asian people (though hardly all!) have epicanthal folds. This is about as controversial as putting on a hat, notwithstanding your baffling and inept attempts to portray it as a racist comment. Your line of reasoning gives as much warrant for thinking that this trivial facial feature causes literacy as for thinking that nuclear families do.

See, that's why your argument is so utterly, and obviously, vacuous.

Nowhere357

Both dk and yguy seem to practicing misdirection.

dk: "Well today the best students in public schools are Asian immigrants with a strong nuclear family."

clutch: "In short, the same evidence that having an epicanthal fold causes literacy... "

Clutch clearly shows that dk's "evidence" for Asian immigrants, with stronger nuclear families, doing better in school, is the SAME EVIDENCE for assuming that epicanthal folds cause literacy.

Both dk and yguy are trying to defend an indefensible position, so it's not surprising that they must practice logical goofiness.

Times are changing, people. It's the natural course of things. Don't be so frightened.

yguy

Nonsense. Superficial genetic traits are incidental to the fact that Asians have held fast to the nuclear family structure. The fact that they are traceable as a group due to race is a mere convenience.

Unless, of course, you care to argue that Asians are intellectually superior to blacks.

Philosoft

Well, it's possible the entirety of my position includes some concerns about society as a whole, but how you're able to derive that from what is quoted above is a mystery.
Your "study" is no such thing. The absence of black fathers had the additional consequence of leaving the previously jobless black mothers virtually penniless. Now, you couldn't possibly figure out on your own what kind of chaos that might cause, other than the absence of a male role model, could you?

Clutch

Oh... oh... we may be approaching a breakthrough!

Now try it again, yguy, substituting "literacy" for "superficial genetic traits". You're close to grasping a point!

Nowhere357

In the same way that nuclear family structure is incidental to superior test scores.

That is the point, and it is not nonsense.

yguy

Come on, hotshot - don't play these puerile games. Find substantive fault with what I said.

Betcha can't.