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Darwin26 · 03-16-2003, 07:43 PM

i love just watching a woman totally express herself and her sexuality ... teeeeezzzing and taunting, succoring my every haptic wish ... She is there for me ....for me to totally gaze upon ...licking her theighs in my mind ...the perfume filling my head ...watching her hips rhythymically, alluring me in...looking into her decorated eyes, erotic lips, the angle of her sexual nose casts me into her spell...every reptilian fiber in me aches for her...She gyrates tantalizingly close offering her wantoness ...spreading her desire ...spinning her lushessness to each and every beast.

We are fortunate to have places for our complex reptilian centers to engage and be engaged
As with all walks of life and occupations... there are many shades of gray . How sad it is for the less fortunate financially to have to resort to the military to make a buck...
i enjoy painting from the nude female and carving that into stone... early in my career i frequented the strip shows with my pad an pencil ... ummmmmmmmm some very tasty work to be sure.

Seems those folks trying to stop the show live in fear ... not wanting to let those who enjoy the sensuality of their humaness be free... Yet they may beat their wife or steal from the corporation... many things they do to keep up the charade ...

Hedwig · 03-16-2003, 09:03 PM

I used to strip when I was around nineteen. I had expenses and the pay there is a lot better than working in food service or sales. I have no problem with it. Some friends and I (usually a couple of guys and four or so girls) would go out to the local club about once a week. Several of the girls were friends of mine. They come from all walks of life and from a variety of different backgrounds.

Viti · 03-16-2003, 09:39 PM

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My impression of what goes on inside is there's a lot of manipulation of the men by the women to get them to spend more on lap dances--LadyShea, can you comment? If my understanding is correct I have a bit of a problem with that.

This is not the norm...the prices for lap dances are usually clearly stated. Actually, the problem is the number of MEN who try to get "more for their money". A lap dance in Vegas is 20.00 at most clubs...many many customers think they should get off for this amount, or be able to touch at will. Some men who find they cannot touch the girls, and won't be getting a hand job or whatever will then play the victim and try to stiff the dancer.

Prostitution is not as much of a problem as people make out either...there are more than enough outcall and escort companies out there where girls willing to have sex for money can work. We also have legal brothels an hour drive away where women can make 20k in a month. Most dancers would not take the risk of being arrested by soliciting in a club (I have seen a girl cuffed and removed in her heels and skimpy costume!), and most are not interested in doing so, or they would find an easier way (like the outcall companies I mentioned).

Dark Jedi · 03-16-2003, 10:48 PM

Well, I can't add much except to agree with most of the folks that answered.

I grew up around strip clubs. Mom has always either owned or ran one for as long as I can remember. The women are all kinds, from all over. The common stereotype of "trailer trash" is a myth.

Young single moms are quite common. Once some girl gets pregnant in high school, it is very difficult for them to make ends meet if the guy won't take responsibility for their part in the baby's life. A good many find that they can pay the bills, have a nice house, and pay for college or vocational training while working 3 or 4 nights a week.

There are also the girls who do it for the thrill and attention. These are usually ones who considered themselves ugly and had some form of cosmetic alteration. They then flaunt it for the attention in a club. Also tend to be the most competitive for the tips. It validates their feelings, I suppose.

Most often, it is just a job. It pays well, and has good hours. Many go home to a husband and family. My sister was one of these. She quit just about a year ago to dedicate more time to her daughter, since her husband is doing well enough to support them in the lifestyle they are used to. (It ain't easy to match the income of a popular stripper. My sister pulled $300-500 a night on friday and saturday, and $200-300 on weeknights)

viscousmemories · 03-16-2003, 11:59 PM

Just a few points:

1. I don�t believe you can generalize about people. Including what kind of people strip and what kind of people go to strip clubs.

2. I have no problem with strip clubs, with people who choose to strip or with people who choose to go to strip clubs.

3. I have been to strip clubs only a few times in my life, and have had the following complaints:

At the Kit Kat Club in NY City when I was 18 and fresh out of Basic Training, I was conned by a beautiful young woman in lingerie into buying a very tiny but expensive bottle of champagne for the two of us. The bottle was only big enough to fill our two glasses, and from what I remember it was like $25 or something. I was bummed. Try not to laugh, but I really thought she sat at my table �cause she was interested in me. It was a really slow night so there wasn�t anyone else in the club. I figured she was just bored and wanted to chat.
At a club in Grand Rapids Michigan, the dancers (after performing briefly on stage) would come around to every table and offer to dance privately for each customer. Not a lap-dance (as I understand it) just a �wiggle a couple feet from you for tips� type deal. (Maybe that�s called a lap-dance, but I always assumed a lap-dance involved someone dancing in your lap) I didn�t like it just because I didn�t expect it and I really didn�t feel like interacting with the girls, I just wanted to watch them strip.
I generally feel humiliated in strip clubs because I suspect that most of the women assume that the customers are disgusting pigs, and therefore can�t help but feel like they�re thinking that of me. This is why I prefer porn to strip-clubs. Porn doesn�t look back at me and I don�t have to interact with the women. Not having to interact with them means not having to be humiliated as well as not having to listen to patronizing flattery intended to separate me from more money.

wordsmyth · 03-17-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
I was a stripper in Vegas for 2 1/2 years.

Sorry I missed that. Where can I get the video?

Undercurrent · 03-17-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by christ-on-a-stick
[regarding where strippers come from] LOL... Outer Space?

Well, I have heard that women are from Venus.

My faux-gf wants to be a stripper. She says, "So what if some guy's getting his rocks off -- I get to dance naked!!"

HaysooChreesto! · 03-17-2003, 08:51 AM

In my single days, I considered it a challenge to go into a strip club and see if I could get a date with one of the girls. Honestly, I had about a 75% success ratio. Not too bad.
In my experience, every stripper I ever dated had head trips. But I've been upbraided for saying that here before, so I'll say that my experience is probably not indicative of all strippers.

I go to strip clubs about two or three times a year. Once in a while the urge strikes me to go buy a newspaper and sit at a bar where naked women are running around. I never buy lap dances and I don't let them touch me because they wear very strong perfume and I don't need my incredibly observant wife getting the wrong idea.
But then I usually get bored quickly because the environments are usually pretty seamy and I feel guilty about not wanting to hand out money to every girl that's just got done dancing.

As far as strip clubs being legal? Well, I'll just say that I believe prostitution should be legal and well regulated. What two consenting adults want to do is their business. Besides, there has never been a society that has ever existed that stopped prostitution. Ever. It ain't called the world's oldest profession for nothing.

Loren Pechtel · 03-17-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by LadyShea
This is not the norm...the prices for lap dances are usually clearly stated. Actually, the problem is the number of MEN who try to get "more for their money". A lap dance in Vegas is 20.00 at most clubs...many many customers think they should get off for this amount, or be able to touch at will. Some men who find they cannot touch the girls, and won't be getting a hand job or whatever will then play the victim and try to stiff the dancer.

My impression was that the game was that she would prolong it as long as she thought he had money.

Prostitution is not as much of a problem as people make out either...there are more than enough outcall and escort companies out there where girls willing to have sex for money can work.

I'm not blaming the strip clubs for this--the proper fix is legalized prostitution.

We also have legal brothels an hour drive away where women can make 20k in a month.

Agreed.

Most dancers would not take the risk of being arrested by soliciting in a club (I have seen a girl cuffed and removed in her heels and skimpy costume!), and most are not interested in doing so, or they would find an easier way (like the outcall companies I mentioned).

It does happen, though.

FoE · 03-17-2003, 02:10 PM

I usually go with the "boys" to a strip club once a year or so. I usually end up grinning like an idiot the whole time. It's pretty neat that there are totally naked girls dancing around 10' from you. The first time i went it was with my sister because she wanted to see where her boyfriend hung out. The next three times i went it was with my girlfriend and her buddies. She's got no problem with it. I did make the stupid drunken mistake of getting a lap dance once. Paying $10 for a naked lady to dance in your lap is pretty neat, but i felt like an idiot when i sobered up and my girlfriend was unimpressed when i told her the next day.

I can't believe that some US states don't serve alcohol at strip clubs, i mean what's the point? Ditto for states that don't let the women get entirely naked, why not just go to the beach and ogle topless women there?

I don't really have any pithy sociological comments to make, but if you're ever in Halifax, Nova Scotia i highly recommend the Lighthouse. Something about having a major commercial port and a large Naval base nearby helps bring the really hot women around.

03-16-2003, 07:43 PM	#11
Darwin26 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Encino, CA Posts: 806	Voyeurphilia i love just watching a woman totally express herself and her sexuality ... teeeeezzzing and taunting, succoring my every haptic wish ... She is there for me ....for me to totally gaze upon ...licking her theighs in my mind ...the perfume filling my head ...watching her hips rhythymically, alluring me in...looking into her decorated eyes, erotic lips, the angle of her sexual nose casts me into her spell...every reptilian fiber in me aches for her...She gyrates tantalizingly close offering her wantoness ...spreading her desire ...spinning her lushessness to each and every beast. We are fortunate to have places for our complex reptilian centers to engage and be engaged As with all walks of life and occupations... there are many shades of gray . How sad it is for the less fortunate financially to have to resort to the military to make a buck... i enjoy painting from the nude female and carving that into stone... early in my career i frequented the strip shows with my pad an pencil ... ummmmmmmmm some very tasty work to be sure. Seems those folks trying to stop the show live in fear ... not wanting to let those who enjoy the sensuality of their humaness be free... Yet they may beat their wife or steal from the corporation... many things they do to keep up the charade ...

03-16-2003, 11:59 PM	#15
viscousmemories Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,387	Just a few points: 1. I don�t believe you can generalize about people. Including what kind of people strip and what kind of people go to strip clubs. 2. I have no problem with strip clubs, with people who choose to strip or with people who choose to go to strip clubs. 3. I have been to strip clubs only a few times in my life, and have had the following complaints: At the Kit Kat Club in NY City when I was 18 and fresh out of Basic Training, I was conned by a beautiful young woman in lingerie into buying a very tiny but expensive bottle of champagne for the two of us. The bottle was only big enough to fill our two glasses, and from what I remember it was like $25 or something. I was bummed. Try not to laugh, but I really thought she sat at my table �cause she was interested in me. It was a really slow night so there wasn�t anyone else in the club. I figured she was just bored and wanted to chat. At a club in Grand Rapids Michigan, the dancers (after performing briefly on stage) would come around to every table and offer to dance privately for each customer. Not a lap-dance (as I understand it) just a �wiggle a couple feet from you for tips� type deal. (Maybe that�s called a lap-dance, but I always assumed a lap-dance involved someone dancing in your lap) I didn�t like it just because I didn�t expect it and I really didn�t feel like interacting with the girls, I just wanted to watch them strip. I generally feel humiliated in strip clubs because I suspect that most of the women assume that the customers are disgusting pigs, and therefore can�t help but feel like they�re thinking that of me. This is why I prefer porn to strip-clubs. Porn doesn�t look back at me and I don�t have to interact with the women. Not having to interact with them means not having to be humiliated as well as not having to listen to patronizing flattery intended to separate me from more money.

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03-16-2003, 09:03 PM	#12
Hedwig Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,921	I used to strip when I was around nineteen. I had expenses and the pay there is a lot better than working in food service or sales. I have no problem with it. Some friends and I (usually a couple of guys and four or so girls) would go out to the local club about once a week. Several of the girls were friends of mine. They come from all walks of life and from a variety of different backgrounds.

03-16-2003, 10:48 PM	#14
Dark Jedi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 4,666	Well, I can't add much except to agree with most of the folks that answered. I grew up around strip clubs. Mom has always either owned or ran one for as long as I can remember. The women are all kinds, from all over. The common stereotype of "trailer trash" is a myth. Young single moms are quite common. Once some girl gets pregnant in high school, it is very difficult for them to make ends meet if the guy won't take responsibility for their part in the baby's life. A good many find that they can pay the bills, have a nice house, and pay for college or vocational training while working 3 or 4 nights a week. There are also the girls who do it for the thrill and attention. These are usually ones who considered themselves ugly and had some form of cosmetic alteration. They then flaunt it for the attention in a club. Also tend to be the most competitive for the tips. It validates their feelings, I suppose. Most often, it is just a job. It pays well, and has good hours. Many go home to a husband and family. My sister was one of these. She quit just about a year ago to dedicate more time to her daughter, since her husband is doing well enough to support them in the lifestyle they are used to. (It ain't easy to match the income of a popular stripper. My sister pulled $300-500 a night on friday and saturday, and $200-300 on weeknights)

03-17-2003, 08:51 AM	#18
HaysooChreesto! Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SoCal USA Posts: 7,737	In my single days, I considered it a challenge to go into a strip club and see if I could get a date with one of the girls. Honestly, I had about a 75% success ratio. Not too bad. In my experience, every stripper I ever dated had head trips. But I've been upbraided for saying that here before, so I'll say that my experience is probably not indicative of all strippers. I go to strip clubs about two or three times a year. Once in a while the urge strikes me to go buy a newspaper and sit at a bar where naked women are running around. I never buy lap dances and I don't let them touch me because they wear very strong perfume and I don't need my incredibly observant wife getting the wrong idea. But then I usually get bored quickly because the environments are usually pretty seamy and I feel guilty about not wanting to hand out money to every girl that's just got done dancing. As far as strip clubs being legal? Well, I'll just say that I believe prostitution should be legal and well regulated. What two consenting adults want to do is their business. Besides, there has never been a society that has ever existed that stopped prostitution. Ever. It ain't called the world's oldest profession for nothing.

03-17-2003, 01:48 PM	#19
Loren Pechtel Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Not Mayaned Posts: 96,752	Originally posted by LadyShea This is not the norm...the prices for lap dances are usually clearly stated. Actually, the problem is the number of MEN who try to get "more for their money". A lap dance in Vegas is 20.00 at most clubs...many many customers think they should get off for this amount, or be able to touch at will. Some men who find they cannot touch the girls, and won't be getting a hand job or whatever will then play the victim and try to stiff the dancer. My impression was that the game was that she would prolong it as long as she thought he had money. Prostitution is not as much of a problem as people make out either...there are more than enough outcall and escort companies out there where girls willing to have sex for money can work. I'm not blaming the strip clubs for this--the proper fix is legalized prostitution. We also have legal brothels an hour drive away where women can make 20k in a month. Agreed. Most dancers would not take the risk of being arrested by soliciting in a club (I have seen a girl cuffed and removed in her heels and skimpy costume!), and most are not interested in doing so, or they would find an easier way (like the outcall companies I mentioned). It does happen, though.

03-17-2003, 02:10 PM	#20
FoE Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,168	I usually go with the "boys" to a strip club once a year or so. I usually end up grinning like an idiot the whole time. It's pretty neat that there are totally naked girls dancing around 10' from you. The first time i went it was with my sister because she wanted to see where her boyfriend hung out. The next three times i went it was with my girlfriend and her buddies. She's got no problem with it. I did make the stupid drunken mistake of getting a lap dance once. Paying $10 for a naked lady to dance in your lap is pretty neat, but i felt like an idiot when i sobered up and my girlfriend was unimpressed when i told her the next day. I can't believe that some US states don't serve alcohol at strip clubs, i mean what's the point? Ditto for states that don't let the women get entirely naked, why not just go to the beach and ogle topless women there? I don't really have any pithy sociological comments to make, but if you're ever in Halifax, Nova Scotia i highly recommend the Lighthouse. Something about having a major commercial port and a large Naval base nearby helps bring the really hot women around.

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