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leonarde · 03-27-2003, 04:19 PM

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I've seen plenty of footage on TV to assure me that the Holocaust was real,but this has nothing to do with the OT.

Gee, first you twice bring in the "Shroud of Turin"; now you bring in the Old Testament. Where are you going with this?

For the record: I believe in the Holocaust, not because there was some newsreel footage of mountains of dead bodies that I first saw at the age of 13 but because in libraries across America there are descriptions---by ex-inmates of Auschwitz, Dachau etc., by Allied troops who liberated the camps, by independent sources.

Cheers!

Yellum Notnef · 03-27-2003, 05:24 PM

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Gee, first you twice bring in the "Shroud of Turin"; now you bring in the Old Testament. Where are you going with this?

Yes. I did ask if you were the same guy who argued here for the authenticity of the Shroud. you never did answer that although I'm quite sure it was you unless theres someone else around here with a very similar name.

"OT" was a typo and should have been "OP". Sorry for the confusion.
This thread has gotten far enough off track already without dragging the silly Old Testament into it!

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For the record: I believe in the Holocaust, not because there was some newsreel footage of mountains of dead bodies that I first saw at the age of 13 but because in libraries across America there are descriptions---by ex-inmates of Auschwitz, Dachau etc., by Allied troops who liberated the camps, by independent sources.

My belief that it happened isn't based only on photos and film footage either.
But this and everything else you've injected into this thread has nothing to do with my original question. Either you've seen a photo or film of these suits or you haven't. It's a simple question.

leonarde · 03-27-2003, 05:33 PM

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My belief that it happened isn't based only on photos and film footage either. But this and everything else you've injected into this thread has nothing to do with my original question. Either you've seen a photo or film of these suits or you haven't. It's a simple question.

I haven't. But if FOX did show such film, what would stop someone here from claiming it was filmed elsewhere (ie outside of Iraq)? My beef is with your underlying assumption that "seeing is believing". It ain't. On the Holocaust. On chemical protective suits. On any number of things under dispute.

Cheers!

Yellum Notnef · 03-27-2003, 05:45 PM

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I haven't. But if FOX did show such film, what would stop someone here from claiming it was filmed elsewhere (ie outside of Iraq)? My beef is with your underlying assumption that "seeing is believing". It ain't. On the Holocaust. On chemical protective suits. On any number of things under dispute.

Cheers!

I might doubt it if FOX showed it,but CNN or other real news networks might convince me.

Seeing is believing in this case since the US still has not produced a shred of evidence that they were correct and the UN as well as a large percentange of the worlds population is wrong.

And now today Iraq has claimed that the US lied about finding all those suits in the hospital,but STILLno pictures have been presented. Just stories with nothing to back them up.

Maybe you're the type of guy who believes some sketchy sounding stories without any proof (and I believe you are if you still claim to be a Christian),but I'm not.

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