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Koyaanisqatsi · 05-22-2003, 01:55 PM

NOTE TO ADMINS AND MODS: I have been exceedingly careful in my posts to avoid personal attacks; classifying Pat's content and apparent advocacy as representative of sociopathic and/or delusional tendencies.

With the exception of, I believe, one instance where I personally insulted him directly, I appreciate your concern and have attempted (at great personal restraint) from directly labeling Pat, the person, as either a sociopath or a serioius delusional individual.

If I have crossed that line, I apologize, (to Pat as well), but I do not yet see where that has been done by me, seeing as I am trying very hard to characterize his apparent advocacy and deconstruct what the content of that apparent advocacy entails (re, sociopathic/delusional mentality).

Hedwig · 05-22-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Debbie T
Who was this person who based their opinion on hearsay alone?

I said specifically that I hadn't viewed the site. I could get into trouble viewing anything questionable from my terminal, though.

Debbie T · 05-22-2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
No, the right thing for them to do is to seek serious psychiatric or psychological treatment; to recognize the pattern of abused to abuser and seek to reinstate the empathy such a loss so readily obtains in the exonerative actions of the predator/prey relationship. It is abundantly documented time and time again (as your own case study appears to corroborate); the victim cannot reconcile why they were victimized, so they grow up to become like predators.

It is especially prevalent in cases of physical abuse from a parent. The child is beaten and cannot understand how a supposedly loving parent would do such a thing to them. They then grow up and have children of their own, so they inflict the same punishment (usually escalatory) on their own children, not because the child has done something to deserve it, but because the adult is attempting to exonerate the behavior of the parent who abused them.

It is a vicious and horrific cycle that can and has been broken through seeking psychological treatment. It cannot, however, be broken, by avoiding one's own responsibility and simply advocating the continuance of the cycle, justifying and rationalizing it as if this is just "normal" behavior.

It is not. It is adnormal behavior that has a direct correlative cause and effect (again, as your own experience apparently revealsl, if indeed you act in the manner you advocate).

Koy, I wanted to make note here that not all who are abused turn into abusers. Many of us instead turn the anger in on ourselves. Many of us become suicidal and suffer PTSD. Some marry abusers and enable the cycle to continue. And some of us do finally seek help and make sure the cycle doesn't continue to the next generation. Unfortunately many do as you have posted here and become abusers themselves. Just wanted to make a quick note about this.

Debbie T · 05-22-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by The AntiChris

Hmmm I thought he just said that by what they reported was on the site they were in the right to report it to the FBI.

Koyaanisqatsi · 05-22-2003, 02:27 PM

Thank you, Debbie and you're of course right. The totality of this issue is overwhelming at times, especially when the salient issues continue to be avoided or otherwise obfuscated through continuous calls to an erroneous "moral" future for "the children."

Your courage and experience attest to that fact most succinctly and I applaud you showing us all first hand what far reaching damage is inflicted by these kinds of predators.

Buddrow_Wilson · 05-22-2003, 02:34 PM

Its unfortunate that people cannot let a debate stand without going out of there way to get someone in trouble who has views opposed to theirs. I visited his site, and am confident from what I saw that he is straddling the grey area quite safely, considering that the purpose is not purely titilation. If you think authorities are not already aware of this man, you are naive. I don't agree with what he stands for, but I will fight for his right to express those views.

To be honest, from now on I will be hesitant to express any view that does not conform to societal norms. Perhaps someone will report my IP because I support drug decriminalization?

- Disappointed

Debbie T · 05-22-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
Thank you, Debbie and you're of course right. The totality of this issue is overwhelming at times, especially when the salient issues continue to be avoided or otherwise obfuscated through continuous calls to an erroneous "moral" future for "the children."

Your courage and experience attest to that fact most succinctly and I applaud you showing us all first hand what far reaching damage is inflicted by these kinds of predators.

Thank you for hanging in here and being a voice of reason.

hezekiah jones · 05-22-2003, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Buddrow_Wilson
I visited his site, and am confident from what I saw that he is straddling the grey area quite safely, considering that the purpose is not purely titilation.

You're not a federal prosecutor are you?

Originally posted by Buddrow_Wilson
Perhaps someone will report my IP because I support drug decriminalization?

Hardly anyone here would care whether you were sitting in your apartment smoking a joint, unless of course you were blowing superchargers at five-year-old girls. Then some people might become concerned.

Koyaanisqatsi · 05-22-2003, 02:42 PM

Advocacy for drug decriminlization is not against the law. Advocacy of pedophilia (whether direclty or indirectly) may be, which is why those who went to his site and saw evidence of such a thing thought it prudent to report what they saw.

Regardless, yes, Pat is most likely already on the FBI watchlist as well as your own IP address Buddrow. Who knows? The relelvant question is, of course, whether or not you pose a demonstrable or direct threat.

Those who viewed Pat's site apparently saw this and acted as any concerned citizen should, IMO, but, again, that's for the FBI to determine.

In other words, they didn't report this debate, they reported what they saw on his site for further investigation (if, indeed, it is not already being scrutinized).

Buddrow_Wilson · 05-22-2003, 02:56 PM

Answer this: What is the point of publicly announcing the fact in an atmosphere of debate?

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05-22-2003, 01:55 PM	#161
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	NOTE TO ADMINS AND MODS: I have been exceedingly careful in my posts to avoid personal attacks; classifying Pat's content and apparent advocacy as representative of sociopathic and/or delusional tendencies. With the exception of, I believe, one instance where I personally insulted him directly, I appreciate your concern and have attempted (at great personal restraint) from directly labeling Pat, the person, as either a sociopath or a serioius delusional individual. If I have crossed that line, I apologize, (to Pat as well), but I do not yet see where that has been done by me, seeing as I am trying very hard to characterize his apparent advocacy and deconstruct what the content of that apparent advocacy entails (re, sociopathic/delusional mentality).

05-22-2003, 02:27 PM	#165
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	Thank you, Debbie and you're of course right. The totality of this issue is overwhelming at times, especially when the salient issues continue to be avoided or otherwise obfuscated through continuous calls to an erroneous "moral" future for "the children." Your courage and experience attest to that fact most succinctly and I applaud you showing us all first hand what far reaching damage is inflicted by these kinds of predators.

05-22-2003, 02:34 PM	#166
Buddrow_Wilson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,589	Its unfortunate that people cannot let a debate stand without going out of there way to get someone in trouble who has views opposed to theirs. I visited his site, and am confident from what I saw that he is straddling the grey area quite safely, considering that the purpose is not purely titilation. If you think authorities are not already aware of this man, you are naive. I don't agree with what he stands for, but I will fight for his right to express those views. To be honest, from now on I will be hesitant to express any view that does not conform to societal norms. Perhaps someone will report my IP because I support drug decriminalization? - Disappointed

05-22-2003, 02:42 PM	#168
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Buddrow_Wilson I visited his site, and am confident from what I saw that he is straddling the grey area quite safely, considering that the purpose is not purely titilation. You're not a federal prosecutor are you? Originally posted by Buddrow_Wilson Perhaps someone will report my IP because I support drug decriminalization? Hardly anyone here would care whether you were sitting in your apartment smoking a joint, unless of course you were blowing superchargers at five-year-old girls. Then some people might become concerned.

05-22-2003, 02:42 PM	#169
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	Advocacy for drug decriminlization is not against the law. Advocacy of pedophilia (whether direclty or indirectly) may be, which is why those who went to his site and saw evidence of such a thing thought it prudent to report what they saw. Regardless, yes, Pat is most likely already on the FBI watchlist as well as your own IP address Buddrow. Who knows? The relelvant question is, of course, whether or not you pose a demonstrable or direct threat. Those who viewed Pat's site apparently saw this and acted as any concerned citizen should, IMO, but, again, that's for the FBI to determine. In other words, they didn't report this debate, they reported what they saw on his site for further investigation (if, indeed, it is not already being scrutinized).

05-22-2003, 02:56 PM	#170
Buddrow_Wilson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,589	Answer this: What is the point of publicly announcing the fact in an atmosphere of debate?

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