Ales

It is true that it is almost unheard of female pedophiles. It is also true that it is very difficult to estimate the real number of pedophiles because the pedophiliac realizes that sexual abuse of a child is a punishable criminal offence and perhaps pedophiliac women are able to resist their impulses to a greater degree than pedophiliac men, real pedophiliacs seldom require sexual intercourse, at the time the child is abused by a pedophiliac she doesn't often consider it as something more than a game (harmful effects of this abuse however appear later), when she is older. Similarly there can be greater number of potential female rapists, but because of lower physical strength of women and because a woman would in one case of a rape could use only one hand to pacify her victim, since she would have to use the other hand to incur the erection of her defiant victim.

Since Alfred Kinsey died in 1956, I believe his roughly 50 years old speculation is not of great importance.

Originally posted by Frank:

It is indisputable true. There are even transsexuals who are (after the change of gender) homosexuals. But this occurs extremely rarely. I have an estimate 1:1 000 000.

It is also true that this happens more often in the "conservative" families, i.e. in families in which there is a dominant father and a weak (in other cases absent) wife. (Findings from The Czech Republic. Petr Weiss: Sex, Prague, 1998)

It is a very strange melange of cirulus in demonstrando, breaking the principle audiatur et altera pars and ignoratio elenchi. Of course the scientists strive to find what is the cause of pedophilia and investigate other phenomena related to this. For your convenience I copied here few abstracts so that you may have an impression what a scientific investigation of pedophilia look like:


Child Abuse Negl 2000 Apr;24(4):535-45

A study of clerics who commit sexual offenses: are they different from other sex offenders?

Langevin R, Curnoe S, Bain J.

Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

OBJECTIVE: The goal of this study was to determine if cleric-sex offenders differed significantly from other sex offenders when compared to a control group and assessed with standard instruments that examine the major factors important in sexual offenses. METHOD: Twenty-four male clerics accused of sexual offenses were compared to 24 male sex offender controls, matched on offense type, age, education, and marital status. Both groups were compared to a general sample of sex offenders (n = 2125) matched only for offense type. The three groups were compared on sexual history and preference, substance abuse, mental illness and personality, history of crime and violence, neuropsychological impairment, and endocrine abnormalities, using reliable and valid measures. RESULTS: The clerics in this study formed a statistically significant highly educated, older, and predominantly single subgroup of sex offenders. The majority of cleric-sex offenders suffered from a sexual disorder (70.8%), predominantly homosexual pedophilia, as measured by phallometric testing, but did not differ from the control groups in this respect. The clerics were comparable to the other two groups in most respects, but tended to show less antisocial personality disorders and somewhat more endocrine disorders. The most noteworthy features differentiating the clerics from highly educated matched controls were that clerics had a longer delay before criminal charges were laid, or lacked criminal charges altogether, and they tended to use force more often in their offenses. CONCLUSIONS: In spite of differences in age, education, and occupation between cleric-sex offenders and sex offenders in general, the same procedures should be used in the assessment of this group as for the sex offender population in general. Hypotheses about reduced sexual outlet and increased sexual abuse of clerics in childhood were not supported. Assessment and treatment of cleric-sex offenders should focus especially on sexual deviance, substance abuse, and endocrine disorders.

J Neuropsychiatry Clin Neurosci 2000 Winter;12(1):71-6

Pedophilia and temporal lobe disturbances.

Mendez MF, Chow T, Ringman J, Twitchell G, Hinkin CH.

Department of Neurology, University of California at Los Angeles, USA. mmendez@UCLA.edu

Paraphilias may occur with brain disease, but the nature of this relationship is unclear. The authors report 2 patients with late-life homosexual pedophilia. The first met criteria for frontotemporal dementia; the second had bilateral hippocampal sclerosis. Both were professional men with recent increases in sexual behavior. In both, 18-fluorodeoxyglucose positron emission tomography revealed prominent right temporal lobe hypometabolism. These cases and the literature suggest that bilateral anterior temporal disease affecting right more than left temporal lobe can increase sexual interest. A predisposition to pedophilia may be unmasked by hypersexuality from brain disease. These observations have potential implications for all neurologically based paraphilias.

J Abnorm Psychol 1997 May;106(2):331-5
Pedophilia, sexual orientation, and birth order.

Bogaert AF, Bezeau S, Kuban M, Blanchard R.


Department of Behavioral Sexology, Clarke Institute of Psychiatry, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

This study extended research on birth order and erotic preferences by examining birth order in a sample of pedophiles. Charts of 338 pedophiles, assessed from 1980-1994 in the Behavioural Sexology Department of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto, were reviewed for family-demographic information. In total, 170 (57 heterosexual pedophiles, 68 homosexual pedophiles, and 45 bisexual pedophiles) of these men had sufficient sibling information to be included in the analyses. The results indicated that homosexual-bisexual pedophiles had a later birth order than heterosexual pedophiles and that this effect was primarily the result of the homosexual-bisexual group being born later among their brothers. The results extend previous findings that homosexual men, regardless of sample composition, have a later birth order than comparable groups of heterosexual men. The results also challenge some existing theories on the nature and origins of pedophilia.


Neuropsychologia 2001;39(5):465-9

Handedness, criminality, and sexual offending.

Bogaert AF.

Community Health Sciences, Brock University, L2S 3A1, St. Catharines, Canada. tbogaert@spartan.ac.brocku.ca

A very large database was used to investigate whether men with a history of criminality and/or sexual offending have a higher incidence of nonright-handedness (NRH) relative to a control sample of nonoffender men. The sample (N>8000) comprised interviews by investigators at the Kinsey Institute for Sex and Reproduction in Indiana. The general offender group and a subsample of sex offenders (e.g. pedophiles) had a significantly higher rate of NRH relative to the control (nonoffender) men. In addition, evidence was found that the general criminality/NRH relationship might result from increased educational difficulties that some nonright-handers experience. In contrast, education was unrelated to the underlying the handedness/pedophile relationship than the handedness/(general) criminality relationship. Finally, as a cautionary note, it is stressed that the effects are small and that NRH should not be used as a marker of criminality

Neuropsychopharmacology 2001 Jan;24(1):37-46

Lower baseline plasma cortisol and prolactin together with increased body temperature and higher mCPP-induced cortisol responses in men with pedophilia.

Maes M, van West D, De Vos N, Westenberg H, Van Hunsel F, Hendriks D, Cosyns P, Scharpe S.

Department of Psychiatry & Neuropsychology, University of Maastricht, Maastricht, The Netherlands.

There is some evidence that hormonal and serotonergic alterations may play a role in the pathophysiology of paraphilias. The aims of the present study were to examine: 1) baseline plasma cortisol, plasma prolactin, and body temperature; and 2) cortisol, prolactin, body temperature, as well as behavioral responses to meta-chlorophenylpiperazine (mCPP) and placebo in pedophiles and normal men. Pedophiles showed significantly lower baseline plasma cortisol and prolactin concentrations and a higher body temperature than normal volunteers. The mCPP-induced cortisol responses were significantly greater in pedophiles than in normal volunteers. In normal volunteers, mCPP-induced a hyperthermic response, whereas in pedophiles no such response was observed. mCPP induced different behavioral responses in pedophiles than in normal men. In pedophiles, but not in normal men, mCPP increased the sensations "feeling dizzy, " "restless," and "strange" and decreased the sensation "feeling hungry". The results suggest that there are several serotonergic disturbances in pedophiles. It is hypothesized that the results are compatible with a decreased activity of the serotonergic presynaptic neuron and a 5-HT2 postsynaptic receptor hyperresponsivity.

The children who are transsexuals tend to wear the costumes of the other gender and to play with the toys of the other gender.

Again you demonstrate the basic ignorance of the roman catholic cult. In Vatican the age after which you are allowed to have sexual intercourse is 12. In catholic theology there is apparently no objection to a 70 years old man having sex with 12 years old girl in case they announce it to the church with some pantomime and standard contraception is not used. The other extreme is e.g. Chile where this age is 20.

When the terrorist organization like pro-life organization or a gregarious idiotcy called roman catholic church twist scientific findings and develop pseudoscience that would fit in their doctrine, it is a sin.

dk

dk: Saying, “perhaps pedophiliac women are able to resist their impulses to a greater degree than pedophiliac men” is a weak retort. Perhaps if pigs had wings they could fly. Are you saying a “real pedophiliac” as opposed to an imaginary pedophiliac? Hey, men rape old, young, strong, ugly, sickly and weak women. I thought the popular myth was that rape was a crime of power not sex. If physical strength is a deterrent then its way down on the list of deterrents.
dk: I agree, and didn’t bring Kinsey up.
dk: You need to be more specific, I have no idea what you mean by dominant father and weak wife or a conservative family? If you infer pedophiles and rapists marry desperate sickly women they can abuse, I’m not surprised.
dk:
P1: All men have a Y chromosomes and No women have a Y chromosome.
P2: All pedophiles are men.
P3: All pedophiles have a Y chromosome
If pedophilia is innate then the Y chromosome is a factor.

Works for me. It was Frank that said homosexuality was an innate sexual response, not me. I’m simply pointing out why “homosexuality is innate”, is a platitude. Why? Because there is a much stronger case that pedophilia is innate. What about studies on pedophiles?
This goes right to the heart of honesty in sex education. The evidence says the sex researchers are vested in their private agenda, and could care less about the well being of public school students. It’s the recidivism rate of pedophiles under the tutelage of sexperts that makes the research bogus.
dk: Kids learn all kinds of stuff.
dk: Catholics unite couples by the Sacrament of Marriage with conjugal love. The Catholic Church leaves the legal age of marriage to Caesar.
dk: I find weak minded people need to justify their bigotry by leveling false attacks against others. I don’t take it personal.
dk: The RC teaches science and faith meet amiably at the principle of Non-Contradiction. It’s the Radical Empiricists and sexperts that declare epistemological corruption a fait accompli. I mean how can a reasonable person teach safe sex, when after 40 years of condoms STDs constitute 85% of the most common contagious diseases (many life altering and/or incurable), and 1/16 babies born in the US have a teenage mommy (I don’t know the abortion ratio because its not collected by the CDC).

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ChurchOfBruce

One in one million people are transsexual, or one in one million transsexuals are homosexual after the change?

If it's the first, I think that's a bit high, but close--that would mean their are only about 280 or so postop TSs in the USA, and that seems low. If it's the second, you're *way* off. Of the TSs I know, it's half and half. Yes, it's a small statistical sample &lt;G&gt; but one in two is *way* off from one in a million. I even know a handful of TSs that stayed with their wives after the surgery.

Yes, I had considered hormones/surgery, and, yes, if I had done it, I would have been a lesbian afterwards.

--Frank

ChurchOfBruce

Good question. I don't know if there have been any.

Actually, you *can* make a case for pedophilia being innate. The ridiculously high recividism (I know I spelled that wrong &lt;G&gt rate for convicted pedophiles raises a flag about that. A lot of these people get sent up the river, get abused in prison, and come out and do the same thing right over again. That makes me wonder.

--Frank

dk

Hey Ales I like to examine arguments and criticisms here. .
dk: For rape and pedophilia the CDC, Justice Department and FBI statisticians don’t bother to track females because for all practical purposes it’s a non-event.
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P1: All men have a Y chromosomes i.e. Complement( No women have a Y chromosome)
P2: All pedophiles are male.
C: All pedophiles have a Y chromosome
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P1: All men have a Y chromosomes i.e. Complement( No women have a Y chromosome)
P2: Virtually All rapists are male.
C: Virtually All rapists have a Y chromosome
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• ambiguity of biological sex caused by unusual chromosomes and various syndromes caused by unusual hormone-mixes and insensitivities that lead to unusual sexual morphology and perhaps psychology. Some children born intersexed were raised as girls, others as boys, demonstrating the power of sex-assignment and rearing. These individuals who were born between the sexes were followed with respect to the following behaviors: fantasy, dating, sexual behavior, marriage, and reproduction or parenthood by adoption. (note by drk: I don’t understand, biology says a person with Y chromosome is a male)
• [b]** transsexualism, the impact of sexual birth defects on the sexual self-identification of the individuals and their later requests for sex-changes.
• sexual orientation: Is adult heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality affected by the following factors?
  sexual birth defects; a period of uncertainty about one's sex; pre-natal hormones; being the sex-partner of a pedophile; situational homosexuality in prison.
• Transvestism is discussed mainly in the chapter on gynemimesis---men imitating women.

[b]** note:[b] There is no transsexualism, if a person has a Y chromosome they are male.
dk: There is no in-between, if a person has a Y chromosome they are male.
People with Turnner’s Syndrome have 45 chrormosomes (45:XO) and are Female 1/5,000 births.
People with Klinefelter's Syndrome have 47 chromosomes (XXY) and are Male 1/700
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Gender assignment is clearly a determining factor in cases of pedophilia and rape. It must also be recognized that pedophilia and rape don’t fit the general theory of sexual orientation. Women aren’t pedophiles. Women aren’t rapists. Sexually deviant men will violate any viable orifice irrespective of age, sex and sometimes species. Rape and pedophilia are big problems in modern society, and psychology has had very little to say on the matter. Clearly human sexuality demonstrates dimorphism between males and females. How can human dimorphism so clearly and universally demonstrated be reconciled with the PC unisex spectrum 0, 1, 2,, 6 theory of human sexuality?

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ChurchOfBruce

You're missing a big contributing factor here--and it's just a contributor, not a cause--and that's testosterone.

MtoF transgendered people who are taking estrogen and antiandrogens (testosterone blockers) show pretty much no male sexual aggression, even though they still have the Y chromosome. This is why you sometimes hear chemical castration being bandied about as a proposed treatment for pedophiles/rapists.

--Frank

dk

I think its a give me. Hormones do affect the estrogen and testosterone receptors in the brain. But to assume they affect males and females the same is another matter. How do males and females regulate hormonal levels?. Do estrogen and testosterone overlap in function? Are their other proteins that regulate the affect complexly? Are the affects transient or developmental, how and when?

In my opinion there are no easy simple answers from a social, biological or psychological perspective.

Ales

QUOTE]dk: Saying, “perhaps pedophiliac women are able to resist their impulses to a greater degree than pedophiliac men” is a weak retort. Perhaps if pigs had wings they could fly. Are you saying a “real pedophiliac” as opposed to an imaginary pedophiliac?
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I tried to emphasize the fact that there is a substantial number of children that are abused by persons that are not pedophiles, i.e. persons who are normally attracted to adults, but abuse children because of there is not other more convenient sexual object available. That is why used the adjective "real", I think it is also interesting to realize that pedophiles do not require intercourse with the children. It is perfectly possible that there are pedophiliac women, who are able to resist their impulses. I did not claim that there is an evidence for this but in principle it is possible that there exist women who are sexually attracted to children but since women sexuality is evolutionary younger, it is possible that in this case they can resist if they know it is criminal deed. It is only speculation as I stated. But perhaps you have another explanation yourself which account for the 1% of female pedophiliacs:

This sentence seems to be irrelevant. What I tried to communicate to you was that perhaps there are more women, who are rapists, i.e. who would have sexual intercourse with a man against his will, but because of technical impossibility they seldom commit this. But again it is necessary to realize that the set of sadists is a proper subset of the set of rapists.


I can quote from the publication I mentioned: "As to research the victims of incest are often from the families with authoritative father and in which the wife does not participate in the upringing of the child (e.g. where the mother is long-term ill), and with conservative and rigid attitudes to sex." What is "conservative attitudes to sex" here, may best be described by christian attitudes to sex, I believe I could sum up this definition as an "patriarchal family". According to the recommendation of bible and majority of churches an ideal christian family is patriarchal family.

Now I see that the use of the word "real" was important. You did not know of the fact I explained to you.


I am afraid I do not understand what your argument is. Perhaps you wanted to state that pedophilia is "innate" and we cure it but we do not cure homosexuality, which is also "innate".

Then your next observation:

seems to be contraproductive. The research is of course not bogus. The treatment of pedophilia is all the time more sophisticated. As an example antiandrogens, progestogens and LHRH-agonists have proven themselves as having significant effects on sexual drive, whereas their side effects are quite tolerable on the whole. But I would like to point to potentially interesting fact. When the use of children pornography was legalized in Denmark in the sixties, a substantial decrease of pedophile abuses followed. The problem is that even the production of pornographic materials with children is abusive to the children. But, wouldn't it be possible to create such materials by some digital methods?

Here it is not true. Many expert sexologists are publicly active, debates with them are organized, some of distinguished sexologists engage actively in politics, some are MPs

It is undoubtedly true, but I do not understand why you mention it here. The important fact is that when a child tends to wear the costumes of the other gender and to play with the toys of the other gender it indicates that she or he is a transsexual. The most important fact is that it is not possible to treat it by means of psychotherapy, and the plastic surgery is often the most convenient solution-it is evident since 1951, when first such operation was performed in USA.



Now I do not understand you at all. What is Sacrament of marriage? Is there any evidence, that this magic helps to have a lot of healthy children? Is there evidence that it does help to mantain sexual fidelity? I am afraid that there is no evidence for any tangible effect of this rite, do not be angry , but for me it is only a pantomime. And it is similar with other sacraments, like those for ill peole. There is no evidence that it has any effect to the health of the patient except for the placebo. The second sentence contradicts what you are trying to convey. Of course the Church was fortunatelly depraved of its power, but the fact that the age at which marriage is possible in Vatican (and also in Philippines, Spain and other catholic "enclaves" ) is 12, indicate, that the Canonical law condone the sex at the age children here are not even at the high school. Imagine the aforementioned 70 years old man died and the girl remarried again at the age of 13 with 80 years old man, and than many times again. The rcc would have no objection to it, but each psychologist would consider it extremely unhealthy for the girl.

Neither do I. If I am weak minded, it is not my fault that I use false arguments. It is true that after a brain disease I lost 70% of my previous intellectual capacity, I would apreciate If you helped me how not to be weak minded. (I am just using the fallacy of "argumentum ad misericordiam" for the educational purpose.)

It is no surprise for me, since rcc teaches so many other things that are not true. There is even whole document for this. II has extensive material that proves it has never been true, is not true in the presence and cannot even be true in the principle. As a small illustration read e.g. this:
<a href="http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/dawkins_18_2.html" target="_blank">http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/dawkins_18_2.html</a>
For example rcc believes in exorcism, it practices exorcism, but scientists do not know of any such phenomena as devil possession, but of course it was the main job J. Christ and the main mean of rcc how to prove its might. Do you know that in the past each child in rcc must have been exorcised because it touched genitals of the mother and thereby an evil demon entered the child? So do not speak of the wonders of sex. Rcc has been always based on the hatred of women, homosexuals and sex. It is interesting to note that Ku-klux-klan was based on the hatred of ethnic groups, nacism was based on the hatred of Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, communism on the hatred of successful people.

dk

dk: I don’t know of any police, health, penal, or justice department at any level that tracks female pedophiliacs or rapists. It’s a non-issue. Women do commit violent crimes however. Violent women assault, abuse and murder children, women and men.
P1: 60% of imprisoned women were sexually abused as children
P2: from 1970 to 1999 the number of women imprisoned increased 1,317% (from 6,000 to 79,000)
C: Sexual abuse of women increased 1,317% x 60% = 800% from 1970 to 1999
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These numbers are troublesome to say the lease. In the 1960-70s the Sexual Revolution, Great Society, divorce reform and feminism agendas were mainstreamed into Americana on the plausibility of new social and psychological theories. In the 1960s Public Schools were the crowned jewel of the Great Society and held in the highest esteem by the public. In 1960 the divorce rate was under 7% and single mother head of household was under 5%. The Great Society ushered in the Post Modernist Era of today. The US Dept of Justice (USDOJ) directly and clearly links sexual abuse of women to the number of women incarcerated. From 1970 to 1999 the number of women incarcerated increased by 1,317%. Today the same public schools that were once the crowned jewel of the Great Society are in crisis.

There is something very wrong here Ales. It is certain that the remedies implemented in the 1960s by sociologists, opinion makers, social engineers and courts have fallen short of expectations and the numbers seem to indicate a detrimental affect on the most vulnerable members of society, the very people the remedies were supposed to help.
dk: Absent a vital active engaged nuclear family public schools fail to educate children. Most public schools have gone into lock down mode governed by armed guards, no tolerance policies, metal detectors, security cameras, badge-ID activated doors and drug sniffing dogs. For the last 40 years sociologists and ivory tower egg heads have blamed the nuclear family for everything from sexual repression to racism. Oh what evil web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Public schools simply can’t function without the support of the nuclear family; yet for the last 40 years schools have justified social engineering by blaming the nuclear family for society’s woes.
dk: Ok, I’ll bite, please define “real” as opposed to ??surreal??. Women who marry rapists and pedophiles (R&P) are often abused, that’s a no brainer. Lets state this as a syllogism.
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P1: In a Christian family the wife is subordinate to the husband..
P2: The wives of R&P don’t raise their children and are dominated by R&P husbands and fathers
C: Christian families raise R&P children
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The syllogism is fallacious asserting a non-sequitur. There have been many millions of good Christian, Jewish and Moslem patriarchal families that raised healthy, productive and happy children in the 20th Century alone. There are also many good Christian and Jewish families where the wife rules the roost, or the husband and wife are peers. Many R&P husbands come from non-theist homes. Again, you promote social theories by blaming good people.
dk: As the USDOJ says above, women commit violent crimes against men, women and children with increasing frequency. Clearly whatever life-script some abused female children follow they don’t become rapists and pedophiles.
dk: Sophisticated? What’s so sophisticated about surgical or chemical castration, I believe that’s the treatment in Denmark.
dk: That’s like saying farmers aren’t vested in agricultural subsidies, unions aren’t vested in labor laws, export/importers aren’t vested in free trade; college professors aren’t vested in higher education. Stop changing the subject.
dk: You can’t write two paragraphs without blaming Christianity. Hitler blamed the Jews; as Marx blamed the bourgeois, as Al-Qaeda blames the Great Satin USA; Lenin blamed Stalin; Mao blamed Chinese culture,,, etc… You need to state your case positively, and quit blaming others.
dk: I’ll do my best.

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Ales

The fact that USA has the highest number of STDs among all democratic countries is most probably caused by not teaching enough about safe sex (www.siecus.org). In USA, where 90% of people invoke revealed gods and this is often combined with irrational attitudes to human sexuality, the number of people with HIV is 450151, out of which 322865 have also AIDS. (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1202/table1.htm) In other countries where the safe sex is taught systematically at the basic schools the numbers are different. Consider e.g. Czech Republic, where 32% of inhabitants invoke revealed gods (http://www.czso.cz/eng/figures/4/41/410101/410101.htm ) the number of people with HIV is 522 out of which 151 have also AIDS. There are 20 new cases of the HIV infection a year (http://www.aids-hiv.cz/udajecr.htm). At the same time Czech rep. together with the Netherlands and other states has the most liberal attitudes to sexuality in the world. (But it has also the most ignorant politicians who were not able to pass the "marriage of homosexuals", despite 70% inhabitants want so.) Since in the Czech Rep. the total population is about 10 300 000 and in the USA it is about 278 100 000, it follows, that the incidence of HIV in Czech Rep. is 32 times less than in USA. Also the rate of abortions in Czech Rep. is slowly approaching the rates of countries like Netherlands as the hormonal contraception is increasingly used. Again, the better modern sexual education, including use of condomes and hormonal contraception, the less number of teen pregnancies and abortions and also the later the first sexual intercourse. Christian model is not effective in tackling AIDS, teen pregnancy and premature sex, but in principle it is not the aim of christians, similarly as the aim of communists was not the wellbeing of citizens, the christians do not mind the lives of homosexuals who commit suicide, they do not mind the lives of people who die of AIDS, they do not mind the harm of teen pregnancy, for them they are sinners, belonging to hell, christian value more their religious consumerism than the lives of people, this should be realised before each such discussion.
I am afraid "STDs constitute 85% of the most common contagious diseases" is not true. A flu or rhinitis is more common than STD. Look at the statistics of CDC of the most serious
sexual diseases steadily declinining: <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/2000Gonorrhea.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/2000Gonorrhea.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/2000Syphilis.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/2000Syphilis.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/2000OtherSTDs.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/2000OtherSTDs.htm</a>


Originaly posted by Frank:
To tell the truth I have only very simple estimate: There is 1 transsexual in 20 000-30 000 people, the incidence of homosexuals is 2-4%. By simple multiplication, you obtain roughly 1 in 500 000-1000 000. Do you have a better estimate?

Perhaps you mean null-event.

Despite the negation of P1 is "There is a man who does not have Y chromosome" it is the first correct argument you did, but I am affraid it is of no scientific value. Again I have to recommend you visit e.g. <a href="http://www.nih.gov" target="_blank">www.nih.gov</a> and start exploration about what scientific investigation of paraphilias look like. I think the people with whom the discussion in my case can have only the benefit of improving my knowledge of English or writing on the keyboard can here be divided in two sets. In the first there are people possessed with religion, the second set consists of people who misunderstand science and constantly prove that "relativity is wrong" or think that sexual orientation can in principle have Gaussian distribution and use scientific terms like "normal" in a nonsensical context or devise queer theories about origins of pedophilia. You belong to the intersection of these sets.