Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Gallimore · 11-25-2002, 12:41 PM

Take it easy, guys. This is a very sensitive issue. Judging from your comments, it's obvious you have championed deaf culuture with sublime nescience. There are 28 million deaf and hard of hearing people throughout the nation. Most of them are proud - they have DEAF PRIDE, and to say "deaf culture" is not preferable to the ability to end this condition is an adverse judgement, as ridiclous and prejudicial as saying that being "white" is preferable to being "black."

Browse through the internet - you'll see that deaf culture has a very long history on this earth. This isn't a hearing world. This isn't a white world. Realize it.

LordSnooty · 11-25-2002, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gallimore:
<strong>There are 28 million deaf and hard of hearing people throughout the nation. Most of them are proud - they have DEAF PRIDE, and to say "deaf culture" is not preferable to the ability to end this condition is an adverse judgement, as ridiclous and prejudicial as saying that being "white" is preferable to being "black."</strong>

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Deafness is a disability, not a lifestyle choice.

Paul

ageofreason2000 · 11-25-2002, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gallimore:
<strong>Take it easy, guys. This is a very sensitive issue. Judging from your comments, it's obvious you have championed deaf culuture with sublime nescience. There are 28 million deaf and hard of hearing people throughout the nation. Most of them are proud - they have DEAF PRIDE, and to say "deaf culture" is not preferable to the ability to end this condition is an adverse judgement, as ridiclous and prejudicial as saying that being "white" is preferable to being "black."</strong>

Bad taste Gillamore, as Irony it had some merit but now you are sounding like something that lives under a bridge.

Age

Gallimore · 11-25-2002, 03:14 PM

Well, well, well�I�m swamped with a teeming rush of countless ways to confute this elenchus. Lordsnooty, for an English snooty, you�re disgustingly ignorant. Try to gain some smidgen of awareness, (if there�s any room in your ignorance-infested brain), before you can so aptly assert this tragic claim. Since when is culture a lifestyle choice? So black is a color, not a lifestyle choice? If science has enabled African Americans to become white (no doubt a salvific solution to racial atrocities, both socially and politically, against the race), should we gladly expunge their culture? Are English people like you? God, have a pity on English deaf people.

Newsflash: paralegidics don�t equate deaf people. Not even blind people. These people don�t have culture; they don�t have their own language. Your ethnocentric attitude is what massacred Indians, lynched niggers, endangered animals. People like you should be flushed down the toilet.

For those rational debaters who prefer to gain knowledge before catapulting arguments, check this out: <a href="http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm." target="_blank">http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm.</a>

Gallimore · 11-25-2002, 03:18 PM

Correction: <a href="http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm" target="_blank">http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm</a>

winstonjen · 11-25-2002, 03:20 PM

Gallimore, you are paranoid. Sorry, but we do not want to do an ethnic cleansing on the deaf culture. With ESC research, we can 'cure' deafness, blindness, etc. from those people that WANT to be cured. We're not going to help people against their will.

winstonjen · 11-25-2002, 03:29 PM

Gallimore, were you born deaf, by any chance? It's much easier to deal with something you don't have if you've never had it - you never knew what you'd be missing.

Scrutinizer · 11-25-2002, 03:42 PM

Gallimore,

There's a very simple argument to show that deafness is a disability:

The purpose of the human eye is to see; if it cannot see, it is therefore defective.
The purpose of the human ear is to hear; if it cannot hear, it is therefore defective.

Deafness is a disability, even if political correctness and social sensibilities tell us we shouldn't say it is.

Regards,

- Scrutinizer

Gallimore · 11-25-2002, 03:43 PM

If it's potential to erase deaf culture from human history, then I am entitled to be paranoid. Yes, I am paranoid. I have to be paranoid. What do you really expect me to say? Forget everything that so many deaf people have fought for? Forget my language? Forget my culture? Come on.

I was born hearing, but I am deaf. This is who I am.

Doubting Didymus · 11-25-2002, 03:45 PM

Wait just a second. If it's true that some individuals are proud of being deaf, then they will not choose to be cured.

If someone WANTS to be deaf, then they can certainly choose to become deaf later in their lives.

Whats the problem, then, with creating a cure for deafness?

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

11-25-2002, 12:41 PM	#31
Gallimore Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 36	Take it easy, guys. This is a very sensitive issue. Judging from your comments, it's obvious you have championed deaf culuture with sublime nescience. There are 28 million deaf and hard of hearing people throughout the nation. Most of them are proud - they have DEAF PRIDE, and to say "deaf culture" is not preferable to the ability to end this condition is an adverse judgement, as ridiclous and prejudicial as saying that being "white" is preferable to being "black." Browse through the internet - you'll see that deaf culture has a very long history on this earth. This isn't a hearing world. This isn't a white world. Realize it.

11-25-2002, 03:14 PM	#34
Gallimore Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 36	Well, well, well�I�m swamped with a teeming rush of countless ways to confute this elenchus. Lordsnooty, for an English snooty, you�re disgustingly ignorant. Try to gain some smidgen of awareness, (if there�s any room in your ignorance-infested brain), before you can so aptly assert this tragic claim. Since when is culture a lifestyle choice? So black is a color, not a lifestyle choice? If science has enabled African Americans to become white (no doubt a salvific solution to racial atrocities, both socially and politically, against the race), should we gladly expunge their culture? Are English people like you? God, have a pity on English deaf people. Newsflash: paralegidics don�t equate deaf people. Not even blind people. These people don�t have culture; they don�t have their own language. Your ethnocentric attitude is what massacred Indians, lynched niggers, endangered animals. People like you should be flushed down the toilet. For those rational debaters who prefer to gain knowledge before catapulting arguments, check this out: <a href="http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm." target="_blank">http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm.</a>

11-25-2002, 03:18 PM	#35
Gallimore Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 36	Correction: <a href="http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm" target="_blank">http://www.odc.state.or.us/tadoc/deaf7.htm</a>

11-25-2002, 03:20 PM	#36
winstonjen Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,425	Gallimore, you are paranoid. Sorry, but we do not want to do an ethnic cleansing on the deaf culture. With ESC research, we can 'cure' deafness, blindness, etc. from those people that WANT to be cured. We're not going to help people against their will.

11-25-2002, 03:29 PM	#37
winstonjen Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,425	Gallimore, were you born deaf, by any chance? It's much easier to deal with something you don't have if you've never had it - you never knew what you'd be missing.

11-25-2002, 03:42 PM	#38
Scrutinizer Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 245	Gallimore, There's a very simple argument to show that deafness is a disability: The purpose of the human eye is to see; if it cannot see, it is therefore defective. The purpose of the human ear is to hear; if it cannot hear, it is therefore defective. Deafness is a disability, even if political correctness and social sensibilities tell us we shouldn't say it is. Regards, - Scrutinizer

11-25-2002, 03:43 PM	#39
Gallimore Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 36	If it's potential to erase deaf culture from human history, then I am entitled to be paranoid. Yes, I am paranoid. I have to be paranoid. What do you really expect me to say? Forget everything that so many deaf people have fought for? Forget my language? Forget my culture? Come on. I was born hearing, but I am deaf. This is who I am.

11-25-2002, 03:45 PM	#40
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Wait just a second. If it's true that some individuals are proud of being deaf, then they will not choose to be cured. If someone WANTS to be deaf, then they can certainly choose to become deaf later in their lives. Whats the problem, then, with creating a cure for deafness?

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.