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Old 05-17-2003, 06:41 AM   #21
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....The American Farm Bureau Federation for one.
But not the sugar lobby.

One must keep all those agribusinesses seperate, you know; they have different agendas !

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Ok, I'll give you that one because I don't know what Americans are capable of believing in.
And you live in Georgia, USA, right ?

I know what Americans are capable of believing in; and I don't even live in the USA ! (Thank fate )

Would you like the statistics for how many Americans believe in UFO's, angels, Iraqi WMD's, and Iraqi-done 9/11 ?????
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I don't think we are gonna go in guns blazing, Gurdur. I don't think Shrub is gonna try Iraqing anyone either, till his next term. That would be to much too soon. .....
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I think I'ld prefer if someone actually comments concretely on what the newspaper article actually said.

Just to help matters along:
The article points out that if Bush does decide to tighten the screws on Cuba, with a mixture of overt diplomatic means and covert opposition-helping means, it could mean a runaway effect which would develop its own inexorable logic.
Afghanistan started with Stingers supplied to the muhadjadeen
Columbia and Vietnam started with money and "advisors"

Panama started with diplomatic remonstrances

Grenada started with pure shock-schlock.

Iraq started with the worry that Saudia Arabia might be invaded.

These things tend to develop their own momentum.

Of course, instead of trying to actually discuss this, I could abuse the :banghead: icon instead.
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"Such an eventuality, he warns, could be used by the US as a pretext for direct intervention. Rodriguez told a Washington press conference this week that Cuba has already been informed, officially, that the Bush administration would deem a new wave of illegal immigration to be "an act of war". He suspects that is a scenario some in Washington are secretly pursuing."
The article actually said this.
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Hubby and I discussed this the other day...Bush is insane and likes to pick on third world countries that have been weakened by sanctions because he has the biggest army in the world at his disposal (its a power thing). I would not be at all surpirised if he invaded Cuba.
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Bush is just another Hitler in my opinion.
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Hubby and I discussed this the other day...Bush is insane and likes to pick on third world countries that have been weakened by sanctions because he has the biggest army in the world at his disposal (its a power thing). I would not be at all surpirised if he invaded Cuba.
Besides them Cuban rulers are all Godless Commies and it makes a sociopath feel good to think of himself as Samson (despite the fact that the jaw of an ass is on his face and not in his hand).
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The article actually said this.
You're being a bit misleading, unintentionally.
What the article did was report the remarks of Rodriguez, along with discussing how likely such suspicions Rodriguez raised were (and explicitly said that Rodriguez was probably a bit premature) ---- and went on to discuss more likely scenarios.

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Just to check your argument, Gurdur.


you are seriously screwing with my argument here.

I never said that panama had anything to do with the cold war. I said Cuba and the Bay of Pigs was brought about because of the cold war.
Although interestingly enough so was Afghanistan.
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according to Beyelzu 's argument extension, it was solely because of the Cold War that the USA marched into Panama (or is pouring money and "advisors" into Columbia); oooo, I mean Noriega was a Communist dictator on the march into Washington, and Grenada was choc-a-bloc full of MISSLES POISED TO RAIN DOWN UPON AKRON, OHIO.
You know Gurdur, I reveiwed my posts in this thread, and I just cant find a single place where I mentioned Panama. Until now, that is of course. Are you making shit up again?


This is a strawman isnt it? Damn Gurdur, how weak is your argument when you hae to resort to logical fallacies. Just admit that you hadnt heard of the cold war and be done with it.


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I know what Americans are capable of believing in; and I don't even live in the USA ! (Thank fate )

Would you like the statistics for how many Americans believe in UFO's, angels, Iraqi WMD's, and Iraqi-done 9/11 ?????
Would you like statistics of how many (Europeans, British, French, African, Chinese, etc) believe in truly stupid shit. Hell, not even counting an interventionist god, I am sure the list is quite long. Believing in stupid shit is something that is not uniquely american .
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