Psychic

Arguementum Nauseum (arguement of nausea)
- suicide is a waste of life ....
- {counter arguement}
- suicide is a waste of life ....
- {another counter-arguement}
- suicide is a waste of life.
- don't you have anything else to add?
- suicide is a waste of life ....
- yes it's a waste of life at the level of society, but shouldn't you consider the individual involved?
- suicide is a waste of life .... ............... ... later at night .... "mummy, suicide is a waste of life, it is true mum! yes?"
- oh honey whatever you say honey, now go to sleep.
- therefore sucide is a waste of life.


Man I say get to know some really depressed people. the first thing to start with "there are a lot of cases labelled intractable depression" second thing is "depression is described as one of the most malignant disease" most of the time depression relapses, depression metastasize! and if your treatment leaves a small tiny part of it, it will grow and grow again!
the problem with depression is that it has three main causes:
1) biological caues in neurotransmitter system(out of the blue! neurotransmitter just go down)
2) as a reactoin to negative life events.
3) physical illnesses in other sites of the body.

so for example one can begin with a biological idiopathic form of depression, recieves medications and gets well. the next thing is; the very fact that he is on medications for depression is very traumatizing to the patient, so he starts being depressed slightly whenever he takes the pill. and do you know what's the most common method of committing suicide in depression patients? anti-depressents over-dose!

and much more other complex interactions can occur at every aspect of his/her life. so it's not a matter of black and white to say: "yes, we have medications and pschotherapy for depression" it's similar to: "yes, we have chemotherapy and radiotherapy to treat cancer"


enjoyed talking to you man... especially after my previous traumatizing experience upon trying to discuss this subject with certain individuals around here!

DRFseven

Well, it doesn't matter what I think should happen, does it? My personal opinion is that sometimes people (especially young people) decide on suicide on an almost whimsical basis (being grounded, bad grades, etc.); if they survive, they often go on to report being extremely glad they were unsuccessful in their suicide attempts. Others seem chronically depressed, and seem to me to have a point; it seems hard to find a way in which their lives won't suck (chronically ill, in physical/mental pain, etc.). I'm not setting myself up to be the abitor of what reasons are good enough for committing suicide, though; these are just personal thoughts.

I CAN say that I'm not saying the brain should or shouldn't be medicated or subjected to some other type of alteration. I'm only saying that in the case of survival, a certain chemical balance must be maintained, so don't think of chemical balances as being of trivial importance. They are everything to brain function.

DRFseven

Error.

DRFseven

Please delete this post and the one above. I don't know what happened here.

LostGirl

This is pretty much my position. Where "life worth" is in question, we may be able to come up with some general objective criteria, but I would hesitate to ever disagree with someone's subjective valuation of their life. As I posted above, cases with a persistent, determined desire to die as a means of release from unendurable pain can be a value rather than a disvalue. That pain can be physical, mental, or emotional, and there may be treatments available to treat that pain. However, it's important to understand that no treatment available works 100% of the time; there are always going to be people nothing can help. I believe that it is a responsiblity of the civil commons to make provision for them to exercise their right to life or lack thereof.

meritocrat

So if your favourite sports team loses a match, you can commit suicide?

Does Ice/Psychic want sympathy? Why should anybody receive sympathy for not being able to hack through life? Everybody else does, what can't they?

Ice

If the losing of the match causes too much pain, I don't see why not, from his/her POV.

It's not a question of sympathy - it's a question of how much worth they see in living. It's not a case of "everybody else does, why can't they?", it's a case of "I can't, why should I conform to others' beliefs about why I should".

meritocrat

What is 'worth in living'? So you think it's OK to harm those who care for you because you think it right to squander life?

Don't you come from Singapore? Don't most Eastern philosophies teach that one should simply be happy to be alive? If so, why the morbid fascination with death?

DRFseven

Has anyone here asked for sympathy? Can you show me any reason why they should try to "hack through life?" You know, you have to back up your assertions or you have no credibility. Explain why someone is obligated to do something because "everybody else" does it.

meritocrat

I get the impression that they want sympathy.