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Mr. Superbad · 03-23-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kamchatka
Should I expect the media to show a photo of every dead person resulting from this conflict?

I also have not seen the American soldiers that have died in the conflict.

And?

Doesn't it bother you that the media is treating this like one expensive pyrotechnics show with no consequences? I guess they learned the importance of suppressing horrible imagery during Vietnam.

RED DAVE · 03-23-2003, 12:37 AM

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Doesn't it bother you that the media is treating this like one expensive pyrotechnics show with no consequences? I guess they learned the importance of suppressing horrible imagery during Vietnam.

Having bought the Bush Myth or Iraqi Liberation, nothing that supports that myth will phase those who support the war. I recall that the media-sanitized version of Gulf War I, with its 100,00+ deaths, was frequently compared to a video game!

RED DAVE

Kamchatka · 03-23-2003, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Mr. Superbad
Doesn't it bother you that the media is treating this like one expensive pyrotechnics show with no consequences? I guess they learned the importance of suppressing horrible imagery during Vietnam.

There is more media coverage of this conflict than any in history, and of course it's not enough. Because nothing is enough for you.

I've been watching a skirmish live. But, of course it's not enough.

I just watched Saddam's Disinformation Director live. But, of course it's not enough.

I've just seen a report on a British warplane being downed by friendly fire. But, of course it's not enough.

Kamchatka · 03-23-2003, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by RED DAVE
Having bought the Bush Myth or Iraqi Liberation, nothing that supports that myth will phase those who support the war. I recall that the media-sanitized version of Gulf War I, with its 100,00+ deaths, was frequently compared to a video game!

RED DAVE

Having bought the French myth that diplomacy was working, you are free to protest the war in America.

Having bought the myth that Bush is more evil than Saddam or Charade or Sputin, you will oppose ANYTHING emanating from this administration.

emphryio · 03-23-2003, 10:33 AM

Getting back to the orignial topic. Here's another example of the US media concerning the spying upon other nations at the UN.

http://www.fair.org/media-beat/030306.html

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The London Times article called it an "embarrassing disclosure." And the embarrassment was nearly worldwide. From Russia to France to Chile to Japan to Australia, the story was big mainstream news. But not in the United States.

Several days after the "embarrassing disclosure," not a word about it had appeared in America's supposed paper of record. The New York Times -- the single most influential media outlet in the United States -- still had not printed anything about the story. How could that be?

"Well, it's not that we haven't been interested," New York Times deputy foreign editor Alison Smale said on the evening of March 5, nearly 96 hours after the Observer broke the story. "We could get no confirmation or comment" on the memo from U.S. officials.

The main reason you don't hear about this in the US is because there isn't much real investigative journalism in the US and a story such as this would sbe ubject to serious "flak" from the government. The US media prefers to just relay the propaganda of the US government than actually report controversial material that is critical of the US. This story here is yet another example of this.

Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" gives quite a few more over the top examples.

Mr. Superbad · 03-23-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Kamchatka
I've just seen a report on a British warplane being downed by friendly fire. But, of course it's not enough.

I don't know what you are talking about, but I'm just saying that sanitizing war is a dangerous thing. I keep seeing the gassed Kurds, but no dead bodies in this war, and all the news media is downplaying the Iraqi victims of this war, even though we are supposedly doing this for them. We just keep getting the official line about how precise our bombs are, and how awesome the spectacle is. I keep seeing the same dancing Iraqi a hundred times, but no victims of this war. War is horrible and messy, and I think the news coverage should reflect that and not try and turn it into a big videogame with fancy graphics and no victims on their side.

CALDONIA · 03-23-2003, 10:59 AM

It looks like "Operation Shock and Awe" worked.

It shocked Baghdad and awed the media.

I would sure like to see some skepticism and an attempt to look at the big picture (difficult when you are 'embedded' -- a euphemism for censored) in place of the relentless cheerleading by all the media.

admice · 03-23-2003, 07:45 PM

Kamchatka-look at the links I gave. Look at 7 different countries news feeds like I did today. Then decide. Stop propagandizing.

BTW I realize the American media had to present the propaganda that the Iraqi army was surrendering, abandoning, etc. I want this war to be over fast and clean, with as little life (of any nationality) lost as possible. And the propaganda was to that end. HOWEVER they should also have reported civilian casualties. Should have not slanted it soo much patriotism. If you don't agree check out OUR New York Times today. Check out the Washington Post. NPR interviewed a NYT reporter who covered all the military action for the last 10 years who SAID imbedded reporters are not enough. You must have independents too, to get an accurate picture.

Sauron · 03-23-2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by admice
Did you notice how yesterday NONE of the media is mentioning Iraqi casualties. They are de-emphasizing that indeed, Iraqi's are fighting back. They 'take', 'control', 'capture' but don't bother to mention they had to kill Iraqis to do so. Man I'm pissed.

Thanks, had to vent

I'm sure that's because there aren't any Iraqi casualties. They're all dying voluntarily, 'cause they hate Saddam so much.

Welcome, American Liberators!

and yes, I'm fucking kidding

RED DAVE · 03-23-2003, 07:50 PM

From Kamchatka:

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Having bought the French myth that diplomacy was working, you are free to protest the war in America.

Having bought the myth that Bush is more evil than Saddam or Charade or Sputin, you will oppose ANYTHING emanating from this administration.

You really are off the wall.

1) The inspectors were making steady progress in the uncovering of Iraqi weapons sites and destroying.

WHAT WAS THE HURRY? WAS AN ATTACK ON ANYONE IMMINENT?

2) Bush is more evil than Saddam Husssein as a political leader. That pig of a dictator attacked Kuwait, tyrannized his own people and developed illegal weapons. Bush, the unelected president, attacked Iraq, is destroying our civil liberties, upset the balance of power of the entire world and possesses every weapon of mass destruction available.

RED DAVE

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03-23-2003, 10:59 AM	#37
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	It looks like "Operation Shock and Awe" worked. It shocked Baghdad and awed the media. I would sure like to see some skepticism and an attempt to look at the big picture (difficult when you are 'embedded' -- a euphemism for censored) in place of the relentless cheerleading by all the media.

03-23-2003, 07:45 PM	#38
admice Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S Cal Posts: 327	Kamchatka-look at the links I gave. Look at 7 different countries news feeds like I did today. Then decide. Stop propagandizing. BTW I realize the American media had to present the propaganda that the Iraqi army was surrendering, abandoning, etc. I want this war to be over fast and clean, with as little life (of any nationality) lost as possible. And the propaganda was to that end. HOWEVER they should also have reported civilian casualties. Should have not slanted it soo much patriotism. If you don't agree check out OUR New York Times today. Check out the Washington Post. NPR interviewed a NYT reporter who covered all the military action for the last 10 years who SAID imbedded reporters are not enough. You must have independents too, to get an accurate picture.

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