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Dr.GH · 09-06-2002, 10:51 AM

My guess is that this was an attempted eviction.

Morat · 09-06-2002, 10:55 AM

If so, why didn't he serve eviction papers? Once he did that, he could walk into the house (with police escort, if he so desired) and begin removing their belongings and such.

RufusAtticus · 09-06-2002, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morat:
If so, why didn't he serve eviction papers? Once he did that, he could walk into the house (with police escort, if he so desired) and begin removing their belongings and such.

Because Hovind doesn't believe in doing things the legal way.

Valentine Pontifex · 09-06-2002, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Dr.GH:
ON THIS DATE DR HOVIND CAME TO THE RESIDENCE OF HIS TENANT AT 100 CUMMINGS ST WHERE HE MADE CONTACT WITH TRUDY OWEN AT THE FRONT DOOR AND ATTEMPTED TO PROVIDE HER WITH MONEY IN ORDER FOR HER TO RELOCATE RESIDENCY.

In addition to Dr. GH's observation that a witness was an employee of Hovind, here is some additional confirmation that this is the same Hovind. <a href="http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=contact" target="_blank">CSE's contact page</a> gives Hovind's organization address as:

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Creation Science Evangelism
29 Cummings Road
Pensacola, FL USA
32503

<a href="http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3d790a5bd75cffff;act=ST;f=3;t=2" target="_blank">There is thread on another board discussing this.</a>

From that thread one can get <a href="http://205.152.130.8/cv_web_1.asp?ulname=Hovind&ufname=Kent" target="_blank">this page</a> that is a "rap sheet" of sorts.

Valentine Pontifex · 09-06-2002, 02:11 PM

Request for moderators:

Could the subject line of this thread be edited to make it clearer what the thread is really about? "Oh, for the rest of the story" really is not that informative. A subject change will also make if far easier to find this thread in the future. How about "Kent Hovind Felony Arrest" or the like.

Skydancer · 09-06-2002, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Dr.GH:
I pulled this from NAiG

I have confirmed the report with the sheriff’s department.

DO NOT CALL THEM, THEY HAVE REAL WORK TO DO.

Note that the dissenting witness, Paul Jewell, is an employee of Hovind's enterprise.
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ON 8-15-2002 AT APPROX 1400 HRS IN ESCAMBIA COUNTY FL, THE ABOVE DEFENDANT, DR KENT E HOVIND DID WILLFULLY AND INTENTIONALLY COMMIT THE OFFENSE OF BURGLARY, BATTERY AND-ASSAULT. ON THIS DATE DR HOVIND CAME TO THE RESIDENCE OF HIS TENANT AT 100 CUMMINGS ST WHERE HE MADE CONTACT WITH TRUDY OWEN AT THE FRONT DOOR AND ATTEMPTED TO PROVIDE HER WITH MONEY IN ORDER FOR HER TO RELOCATE RESIDENCY. TRUDY OWEN SAID SHE REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE MONEY ASKING DR HOVIND TO LEAVE AS SHE SHUT THE FRONT DOOR. DR HOVIND THEN FORCED THE FRONT DOOR OPEN, KNOCKING MS OWEN BACKWARDS AND ENTERED INTO THE STRUCTURE AND BEGAN YELLING LOUDLY AND ACTING IN A HOSTILE AND AGGRESSIVE MANNER, PUTTING V/OWEN IN FEAR FOR HER SAFETY.

VICTIM CHRISTOPHER KENUI, ALSO RESIDING AT THIS RESIDENCE, ATTEMPTED TO INTERVENE WITH THIS ALTERCATION, WHERE DR HOVIND THEN BECAME PHYSICALLY AGGRESSIVE TOWARD KENUI, WHERE CHRISTOPHER THEN PHYSICALLY WRESTLED HIM OUT OF HIS RESIDENCE AND ONTO THE FRONT PORCH THEN SLAMMING THE DOOR AND LOCKING IT AND CALLING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO REPORT THIS INCIDENT.

UPON MY ARRIVAL, I INTERVIEWED V/TRUDY OWEN, V/CHRISTOPHER KENUI AND WA/ROENALINE KENUI, WHO ALL CONCURRED WITH THE SAME STATEMENT OF THE EVENT THAT PREVIOUSLY OCCURRED. I THEN INTERVIEWED DR KENT HOVIND IN REFERENCE TO THIS INCIDENT WHERE HE DID ADMIT TO FORCING HIS WAY INTO THE HOUSE STATING THAT THE RESIDENCE BELONGED TO HIM AND HE WAS MERELY RENTING THIS HOME TO TENANT OWEN AND FAMILY. DR HOVIND FURTHER STATED THAT HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE COULD ENTER THIS RESIDENCE ANY TIME HE WANTED THEREFORE. HE DID NOT FEEL THAT HE COMMITTED A CRIME. DR HOVIND FURTHER STATED THAT HE DID NOT ASSAULT MS OWEN AT THIS LOCATION AND THAT CHRISTOPHER KENUI DID IN FACT HAVE TO PHYSICALLY REMOVE HIM AFTER HIS REFUSAL TO LEAVE VERBALLY.

AT THAT TIME, DR KENT HOVIND WAS PLACED UNDER ARREST, TRANSPORTED TO THE ESCAMBIA COUNTY JAIL AND CHARGED WITH BURGLARY, BATTERY AND ASSAULT. BOND PLACED AT $1,000 AND RETURNABLE SET FOR 9-05-2002.

UPON MY DEPARTURE AT THIS LOCATION A SECONDARY WITNESS. PAUL JEWELL ARRIVED AND STATED TO ME THAT HE WAS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD DURING THE TIME OF THIS INCIDENT AND MERELY SAW DR HOVIND STANDING ON THE FRONT PORCH AT 100 CUMMINGS ST. HE FURTHER STATED HE DID NOT OBSERVE ANY ALTERCATION.

WITNESS STATEMENT FORMS WERE DOCUMENTED BY THE VICTIMS AND WITNESSES IN THIS INCIDENT TO BE TURNED IN WITH REPORT. BURK, DAVID KARL 312 ID
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JEWELL, PAUL DAVID W M 02/06/1975
Addresses (Current/Last Known is Listed First) XXXX N PALAFOX ST PENSACOLA FL 32503 Phone: (850)473-XXXX
Occupations (Current/Last Known is Listed First) Business: CREATIONS SCIENCE EVANL, Job Title:, Phone: 850 Entered: 08/15/2002

You notice that the woman and the man listed as residents have different last names? I wonder if ol' Kent realized he was renting to (gasp!) a couple living in sin and wanted to evict them for that reason. He couldn't have gotten an eviction notice on those grounds. It sounds like he tried to -bribe- her to move and got violent when she wouldn't take the bribe.

anapsid · 09-06-2002, 03:47 PM

Paul Jewell is not a dispassionate witness, or even just an employee. He is Hovind's son-in-law.
From "mageth" on this forum: " Marlissa is Dr. Hovind's scheduling secretary and her husband, Paul Jewell, serves in the shipping department at CSE. " From the old Jack Chick website: "
Dr. Hovind lives in Pensacola, Florida with his wife, Jo, and their children, Kent Andrew, Eric, and Marlissa ages 19, 20, 21." The ages are now inaccurate, but how many Marlissa's are there in Pensacola?

Also, a visit to the Escambia County Tax Collector shows that the house at 100 Cummings is owned by a Barry Weaver Jr. If so, why was Hovind there at all?

Lastly, while looking at real estate, Hovind possesses a fair amount. The appraised value of 21 and 23 Cummings Rd (29 Cummings seems to be
contiguous), listing "Kent Hovind Trustee for Faith Fellowship Baptist Church" as the owner is $145K. The Dino Adventure land properties on Palafox Hwy have assessed values of $41 K and $144K. Hovind or Hovind and wife are listed as the owners (not trustees), and the property was bought in 2001 for $155K and $125K, respectively.

There is no record of a "405 Schubert Drive" - what Hovind gave as his
address - able to be gotten from this search.

Please check all of this out for yourself at
<a href="http://www.escpa.org/" target="_blank">http://www.escpa.org/</a>

{edited to fix link - sci}

[ September 06, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]

scigirl · 09-06-2002, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Valentine Pontifex:
Request for moderators:

Could the subject line of this thread be edited to make it clearer what the thread is really about? "Oh, for the rest of the story" really is not that informative. A subject change will also make if far easier to find this thread in the future. How about "Kent Hovind Felony Arrest" or the like.

Coragyps - please let me know if you are dissatisfied with the new title I gave your thread. I changed the name as requested.

scigirl

[ September 06, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]

Valentine Pontifex · 09-06-2002, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skydancer:


You notice that the woman and the man listed as residents have different last names? I wonder if ol' Kent realized he was renting to (gasp!) a couple living in sin and wanted to evict them for that reason. He couldn't have gotten an eviction notice on those grounds. It sounds like he tried to -bribe- her to move and got violent when she wouldn't take the bribe.

I am rather shocked that he did not just give them x days notice. As landlord he can do that unless there is some guarentee of some sort in the contract. I don't know what minimum notice requirements are in Florida, but I am under the impression that it is usually thirty days. It is thirty days where I live.

Grumpy · 09-06-2002, 07:46 PM

Jesus Christ: "The real question is, why the hell was he there?"

Peez: "Remove 'why the hell' from that sentence and you have my thought."

No, you're thinking of Ken "Were you there?" Ham.

09-06-2002, 03:47 PM	#37
anapsid New Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 1	Paul Jewell is not a dispassionate witness, or even just an employee. He is Hovind's son-in-law. From "mageth" on this forum: " Marlissa is Dr. Hovind's scheduling secretary and her husband, Paul Jewell, serves in the shipping department at CSE. " From the old Jack Chick website: " Dr. Hovind lives in Pensacola, Florida with his wife, Jo, and their children, Kent Andrew, Eric, and Marlissa ages 19, 20, 21." The ages are now inaccurate, but how many Marlissa's are there in Pensacola? Also, a visit to the Escambia County Tax Collector shows that the house at 100 Cummings is owned by a Barry Weaver Jr. If so, why was Hovind there at all? Lastly, while looking at real estate, Hovind possesses a fair amount. The appraised value of 21 and 23 Cummings Rd (29 Cummings seems to be contiguous), listing "Kent Hovind Trustee for Faith Fellowship Baptist Church" as the owner is $145K. The Dino Adventure land properties on Palafox Hwy have assessed values of $41 K and $144K. Hovind or Hovind and wife are listed as the owners (not trustees), and the property was bought in 2001 for $155K and $125K, respectively. There is no record of a "405 Schubert Drive" - what Hovind gave as his address - able to be gotten from this search. Please check all of this out for yourself at <a href="http://www.escpa.org/" target="_blank">http://www.escpa.org/</a> {edited to fix link - sci} [ September 06, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]</p>

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09-06-2002, 10:51 AM	#31
Dr.GH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Point, Ca, USA Posts: 2,115	My guess is that this was an attempted eviction.

09-06-2002, 10:55 AM	#32
Morat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 932	If so, why didn't he serve eviction papers? Once he did that, he could walk into the house (with police escort, if he so desired) and begin removing their belongings and such.

09-06-2002, 02:11 PM	#35
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Request for moderators: Could the subject line of this thread be edited to make it clearer what the thread is really about? "Oh, for the rest of the story" really is not that informative. A subject change will also make if far easier to find this thread in the future. How about "Kent Hovind Felony Arrest" or the like.

09-06-2002, 07:46 PM	#40
Grumpy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,535	Jesus Christ: "The real question is, why the hell was he there?" Peez: "Remove 'why the hell' from that sentence and you have my thought." No, you're thinking of Ken "Were you there?" Ham.

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