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Old 10-02-2002, 03:37 AM   #11
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<strong>I have a friend who swears by getting her back "popped" regularly . . . a couple times a day, if she can find someone to do it. </strong>
I used to offer this service for free, but regulations have since been tightened I'm afraid. The technique involved cupping each breast firmly from behind and thrusting forward with sharply with the pelvis. The results were more than satisfactory. It did me no end of good I can tell you.

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Old 10-02-2002, 03:44 AM   #12
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<strong>Personally, I think there are two kinds of chiropractors. Charlatains and professionals.</strong>
I couldn't agree more. Charlatans will treat you with any old hocus pocus simply to line there own pockets and can be quite blatant in their transparent chicanery. With the true professionals on the other hand it's practically impossible to spot how you are being duped.

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Old 10-02-2002, 10:14 AM   #13
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Chiropractic is based upon certain claims about the way the body works (i.e., that what it calls "sublaxtions" are the root cause of specific ailments) and the effect manipulations have on those functions (i.e., that chiropractic "aligns" these "sublaxions", remedying the ailments as a direct result of chiropractic maipulation, in ways that would not be acheived through simple massage or by other means).

These are testable claims. The proported effects have repeatedly failed in rigorous testing to prove superior to placebo, and the claims about the underlying mechanics and their connection to the ailments chiropractic claims to treat are utterly contradicted by modern science.

To say that "some" chiropractors practice a more "valid" form of chiropractic without the "charlatan" aspect is like claiming that "some" witchdoctors practice their withcraft in a more "valid" way. It is irrelevant. The underlying premise of chiropractic is quackery, and there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that the anecdotal effects aren't caused either by the placebo effect, or by non-chiropractic effects such as massage, or simply the passage of time.

I agree that there are two kinds of chiropractors: charlatans and cranks. The difference is that the first deliberately commits fraud, and the second does it inadvertently.
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Old 10-03-2002, 03:27 AM   #14
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<strong>I agree that there are two kinds of chiropractors: charlatans and cranks.</strong>
That's why chiropractors are banned in the UK. You have to go to an osteopath instead.

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Old 10-03-2002, 09:16 PM   #15
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That's why chiropractors are banned in the UK. You have to go to an osteopath instead.
I did not realize that chiropractic is banned in the U.K.. Some of the most favorable studies about chiropractic have been published in the British Medical Journal especially the Meade study on low back pain.

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I agree that there are two kinds of chiropractors: charlatans and cranks. The difference is that the first deliberately commits fraud, and the second does it inadvertently.
While I will not deny that there are charlatans and cranks in the profession, I think that it is unfair to paint the whole profession in a negative light.

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The proported effects have repeatedly failed in rigorous testing to prove superior to placebo, and the claims about the underlying mechanics and their connection to the ailments chiropractic claims to treat are utterly contradicted by modern science.
There are many studies that state that not only is manipulation superior to placebo but also superior to other treatments proposed for low back pain,neck pain, and headaches.

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To say that "some" chiropractors practice a more "valid" form of chiropractic without the "charlatan" aspect is like claiming that "some" witchdoctors practice their withcraft in a more "valid" way. It is irrelevant. The underlying premise of chiropractic is quackery, and there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that the anecdotal effects aren't caused either by the placebo effect, or by non-chiropractic effects such as massage, or simply the passage of time.
Actually, it is relevant how a chiropractor practices. Understanding the research and studies that are done allow a chiropractor to tailor his treatment based on the most current understandings of day.

The ability to understand how mechanoreceptors work and influence the body, how Wolff's law is related to osteoarthritis, and how spinal manipulation and traction can change the structure of the human frame are very relevant.

It is my opinion that chiropractors should not make claims that can not be backed with some scientific research. However, there is more research out there than most people think. And, there continues to be a need for more.

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