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Sunfair · 08-24-2002, 06:18 PM

Thanks for the links everyone! *salivating with joy*

excreationist:
That quote is from a commercial. A guy checks into a little motel and asks a bored clerk if they have cable and she replies "We have every movie ever made in every language anytime day or night," and the guy looks stunned and asks, "How is that possible?"

Can't remember what the commercial is for, but it was kind of cute.

Anyone know the meaning of "Iscariot"?

One of the last sane · 08-24-2002, 06:51 PM

One earnest young lady from a Bible College once explained to me that Judas had to do what he did, that it was God's will and all okay, up to when Judas committed suicide. According to her, God would have forgiven him for betraying Jesus, had Judas asked, because it was pre-ordained that he would do it. Suicide, on the other hand, is unforgivable.
(That's yet another thing I don't like about the Judaeo-Xian sky pixy, his nasty attitude to the suicidal).

08-24-2002, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by One of last of the sane:
One earnest young lady from a Bible College once explained to me that Judas had to do what he did, that it was God's will and all okay, up to when Judas committed suicide. According to her, God would have forgiven him for betraying Jesus, had Judas asked, because it was pre-ordained that he would do it. Suicide, on the other hand, is unforgivable.
(That's yet another thing I don't like about the Judaeo-Xian sky pixy, his nasty attitude to the suicidal).

Tell your friend that Judas represents Judaism and it was Judaism that led Jesus to be crucified after which Judiasm was redundant and had to be annihilated. This makes religion a means to the end and when the end is achieved the means must be discarded.

Simple isn't it?

excreationist · 08-24-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sunfair:
...Anyone know the meaning of "Iscariot"?

See the free online book, <a href="http://www.trippinglightlybooks.com/dnldourman" target="_blank">Our Man in Judea</a> (see the thread, <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000509" target="_blank">Historical Jesus not a "Jew" but a Samaritan!</a>), on page 193 - it has a section called "The Iscariot". On page 182 it has a section called "Judas".

The first paragraph from the "The Iscariot" section:

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The precise interpretation of "Iscariot" is difficult, and there have been various suggestions, including, "man of Kerioth" (a place in Moab mentioned in Jer 48:24, 41 and Amos 2:2), and "nothing more than a mere surname." It has also been suggested that the name relates to "Sicarius" (plural, Sicarii), the "dagger bearers" who were supposedly known rebels at the time, but I remain undecided on this. Although the overall impression of Judas would suit such an identification, according to Josephus (Wars. 2.13.3), the Sicarii didn't fully arise until the era of Nero, after Herod's death, but I suppose a ragtag group of armed rebels must have formed the basis of an organized group, so individuals with more militant ideals would probably have been drifting around before then.

I haven't read the thread I mentioned but the opinions of that author may be highly questionable since the main idea of the book is so controversial.

From <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08539a.htm" target="_blank">The Catholic Encyclopedia</a> (it has lots of theological information):

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Judas Iscariot

The Apostle who betrayed his Divine Master. The name Judas (Ioudas) is the Greek form of Judah (Hebrew "praised"), a proper name frequently found both in the Old and the New Testament. Even among the Twelve there were two that bore the name, and for this reason it is usually associated with the surname Iscariot [Heb. "a man of Kerioth" or Carioth, which is a city of Judah (cf. Joshua 15:25)]. There can be no doubt that this is the right interpretation of the name, though the true origin is obscured in the Greek spelling, and, as might be expected, other derivations have been suggested (e.g. from Issachar).
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excreationist · 08-24-2002, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by One of last of the sane:
...(That's yet another thing I don't like about the Judaeo-Xian sky pixy, his nasty attitude to the suicidal).

from <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_bibl.htm" target="_blank">ReligiousTolerance.org</a>:

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The Bible contains a number of references to men seeking suicide, either

- by taking direct action or
- by begging God to kill them on the spot.

In most passages, the authors of the Bible do not appear to consider suicide to be a great moral sin. The act of committing suicide or of asking that God kill them are simply reported in a factual manner. The authors do not interpret these acts as sinful. They seem to be regarded simply as straightforward personal decisions.
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One of the last sane · 08-25-2002, 06:15 PM

Interesting, excreationist. Why then do so many Christians insist that suicides go to Hell?

Edit: Oh and Amos, be a pal and refrain from referring to anyone I describe as "an earnest young lady from a Bible College" as my "friend", willya? Thanks.

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: One of last of the sane ]

excreationist · 08-27-2002, 02:39 AM

One of last of the sane:
See <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-dml/suicide-and-heaven.html" target="_blank">this ChristianAnswers.net article</a>... basically it talks about how suicide was traditionally seen as murder (unlawful killing) and since the person couldn't repent after the act, they would die in sin and go to hell. But that site, who happens to be linked with Answers in Genesis, says that saved people who commit suicide would go to heaven - though suicide is not part of God's plan for people's lives.

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: excreationist ]

Jamie_L · 08-27-2002, 08:08 AM

Judas is the man.

He took one for the team just like Jesus.

If the NT were a sporting event, Judas would get credited with the assist for the game-winning goal.

Now, if God sent Jesus to earth to die, why would Satan be interested in helping to condemn him? Maybe Satan was in on it too. Satan passes to Judas. Judas passes to Christ. Here's the Crusifiction... GOAL!!!!!!!

Jamie

One of the last sane · 08-28-2002, 06:39 PM

ROFLMAO, Jamie_L.

wordsmyth · 08-29-2002, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Jamie_L:
Now, if God sent Jesus to earth to die, why would Satan be interested in helping to condemn him?

That is an interesting question. It would seem more logical for Satan to thwart the crucifixtion and prevent mankinds redemption.

Perhaps Satan was a later addition in an attempt to absolve Judas somewhat. That would certainly seem to fall in line with Judas hanging himself out of guilt rather than purchasing the Potter's Field and falling off a cliff.

08-25-2002, 06:15 PM	#16
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	Interesting, excreationist. Why then do so many Christians insist that suicides go to Hell? Edit: Oh and Amos, be a pal and refrain from referring to anyone I describe as "an earnest young lady from a Bible College" as my "friend", willya? Thanks. [ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: One of last of the sane ]</p>

08-27-2002, 02:39 AM	#17
excreationist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 4,886	One of last of the sane: See <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-dml/suicide-and-heaven.html" target="_blank">this ChristianAnswers.net article</a>... basically it talks about how suicide was traditionally seen as murder (unlawful killing) and since the person couldn't repent after the act, they would die in sin and go to hell. But that site, who happens to be linked with Answers in Genesis, says that saved people who commit suicide would go to heaven - though suicide is not part of God's plan for people's lives. [ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: excreationist ]</p>

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08-24-2002, 06:18 PM	#11
Sunfair Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 110	Thanks for the links everyone! salivating with joy excreationist: That quote is from a commercial. A guy checks into a little motel and asks a bored clerk if they have cable and she replies "We have every movie ever made in every language anytime day or night," and the guy looks stunned and asks, "How is that possible?" Can't remember what the commercial is for, but it was kind of cute. Anyone know the meaning of "Iscariot"?

08-24-2002, 06:51 PM	#12
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	One earnest young lady from a Bible College once explained to me that Judas had to do what he did, that it was God's will and all okay, up to when Judas committed suicide. According to her, God would have forgiven him for betraying Jesus, had Judas asked, because it was pre-ordained that he would do it. Suicide, on the other hand, is unforgivable. (That's yet another thing I don't like about the Judaeo-Xian sky pixy, his nasty attitude to the suicidal).

08-27-2002, 08:08 AM	#18
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	Judas is the man. He took one for the team just like Jesus. If the NT were a sporting event, Judas would get credited with the assist for the game-winning goal. Now, if God sent Jesus to earth to die, why would Satan be interested in helping to condemn him? Maybe Satan was in on it too. Satan passes to Judas. Judas passes to Christ. Here's the Crusifiction... GOAL!!!!!!! Jamie

08-28-2002, 06:39 PM	#19
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	ROFLMAO, Jamie_L.

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