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yguy · 06-02-2003, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by yelyos
The desire in and of itself does not cause harm and thus is either moral or value neutral. What you're discussing are actions that spring from desires, and so it's a different topic.

Not really. Once you start to fantasize sexually about someone, indulgence of your latent desire becomes a means of escaping reality.

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What is it about homosexual actions that is morally reprehensive?

What is it about sex with animals that is morally reprehensible?

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As long as the desire is not acted on it is morally neutral in my opinion, or positive if the person with the urge derives pleasure from having such an urge.

Such satisfaction of mutual urges has led to the death of one of the participants in sado-masochistic sexual encounters.

yguy · 06-02-2003, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
Perhaps Christianity can be similarly labeled as a desire rooted in self-deception.

Some forms of it, yes.

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The fact that some Christians are so evangelistic and demanding of acceptance lends credence to the idea that they don't feel comfortable about it within themselves.

In many cases, that is true.

yelyos · 06-02-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by yguy
Not really. Once you start to fantasize sexually about someone, indulgence of your latent desire becomes a means of escaping reality.

That's fine with me. If people want to escape reality, let them do so.

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What is it about sex with animals that is morally reprehensible?

Nothing, as long as proper consent is obtained. If consent is not obtained, the discomfort to the animal is greater than the pleasure gained.

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Such satisfaction of mutual urges has led to the death of one of the participants in sado-masochistic sexual encounters.

This is an ACTION not an URGE you are toalking about. The URGE to have a sadomasochistic encounter is benign.

Besides, people die in heterosexual and homosexual encounters as well as sadomasochistic ones.

As long as the two people know what they are doing, it's fine with me.

Dr Rick · 06-02-2003, 10:47 AM

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Some forms of Christianity, yes...In many cases, that is true.

Your admittance of all the similarties between heterosexuality and homosexuality and even between Christianity and homosexuality refutes your stated arguements against homosexuality. In the end, you are left with only bigotry as the real reason for your animosity and fear towards it.

yguy · 06-02-2003, 11:47 AM

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Nothing, as long as proper consent is obtained. If consent is not obtained, the discomfort to the animal is greater than the pleasure gained.

Sorry, I cannot communicate with such a mentality. Thanks for your time.

yguy · 06-02-2003, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
Your admittance of all the similarties between heterosexuality and homosexuality and even between Christianity and homosexuality refutes your stated arguements against homosexuality.

I haven't admitted any similarity between homosexuality and Christianity, only a similarity between some FORMS of Christianity and homosexuality. Essential Christianity is, in my view, inimical to what it behind homosexuality and other aberrant behaviors. When Christ saved the adulterous woman from stoning, He said, "Go, and sin no more", not "Go party".

yelyos · 06-02-2003, 11:52 AM

All humans are animals.

The Naked Mage · 06-02-2003, 01:53 PM

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Sorry, I cannot communicate with such a mentality. Thanks for your time.

"Now spooked, the herd stampedes..."

Great job of fleeing into the underbrush at the first sign of your inappropriate analogy being rendered impotent, yguy. I don't believe I've ever seen anything move so fast.

Your credibility has dropped so low that we're having to dig for it.

yguy · 06-02-2003, 03:17 PM

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"Now spooked, the herd stampedes..."

Great job of fleeing into the underbrush at the first sign of your inappropriate analogy being rendered impotent, yguy. I don't believe I've ever seen anything move so fast.

Your credibility has dropped so low that we're having to dig for it.

You don't see anything wrong with interspecies sex either, huh?

Guess you don't see much.

Mech Bliss · 06-02-2003, 03:19 PM

You made a false analogy between homosexuality and bestiality. That's the problem.

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yelyos Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: northern suburbs of Toronto, Canada Posts: 401	All humans are animals.

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