Radorth

What is the problem here? Let's break it down, as even Seebs has been taken in, I guess.

I never said every one who falls away was not a Christian.

I don't agree that everyone who says they were a Christian is one, but I do believe simply that those who were still are.

I told Celsus I would need more info to form a firm opinion about his beliefs, while he is making up stories and quotes, inserting the word "all..." to back up his false assertions.

I sincerely try to explain myself and I still (apparently) get people piling on the band wagon and believing half-truths and misquotes? And this site is frequented by more "rational" and "tolerant" people than the local Catholic church?

:banghead: Rad

Radorth

Another lie, however inadvertant. I never said all unbelievers go to hell, not once ever, in my 5000+ posts on the Secweb. In fact I believe anyone who "thirsts after righteousness" will be saved or "filled" if you like.

What say you Helen?

Rad

Radorth

So can I. You have missed the point Helen. The fact is some are and some aren't and what I am laughing at is the assertion that ex-ministers are Christians by definition. So it is not I who is thinking in back and white, but the skeptics here.

How ironic.

Sheesh.

Rad

Buffman

I wonder what Sec Web member name was used for the other 3,887+ posts?

HelenM

I have no further comments at this time

Except that I too am wondering where your other posts went

Helen

Radorth

On two other atheist sites. I thought "Secweb" was a generic name. Apologies for the confusion.

Rad

Radorth

I believe you are sincere and do feel that way Ab. You won't mind me asking (sincerely if irritatingly) which trimester the unborn must be in to qualify to have intrinsic worth? I ask because there seem to be so few secular humanists who think the unborn are people, even in late term.

Rad

Radorth

Re: HQB

I never "blamed" her for losing her faith. How could I? I was never sure she had any. People read this, but I never said it. I did "blame" her church, particularly for teaching her such that she "always believed she was saved" and "always believed she was going to hell." They apparently wanted to make her nuts.

I considered other posibilities, but disagree they were worth mentioning.

I can't get this extremely unfriendly software to do anything but waste time, but the following are from the legendary one, with Rad speaking in italics

"The following options are just as likely as yours:

We are we still in "humble opinion" mode I hope even though you put YOU ARE WRONG in bold, and seem convinced beyond any doubt of several other assertions.

"1. God does not exist."

What does this have to do with the arguments going back and forth here? Most everyone else seems to be able to argue within some framework of how, why and who backslides

"2. The Christians are wrong about God, and He is very happy another soul has left Christianity."

This is not related to "falling away" and the reasons for it either. It seems you do not wish to address my argument in a meaningful way

"3. God, since He isn't so narcissistic and insecure that He would require slobbering worship from puny humans, doesn't care if people believe in Him or not at all. "

Of course this contradicts most atheist assertions about the Christian' God''s narcissism, so we can't call it "just as likely" since it has no support even from your "rational" peers.

"4. God just wanted B.G tothink she was saved, just to toy with her mind."

There is no such God in my Bible, because, as I pointed out with scripture, even people turned "over to Satan" are still saved.

"5. God has predestined her to Hell, and has given her over to her unbelief. "

A possibility I suppose. Take a half point

Rad

Radorth

While Celsus was accusing me of "smearing" and/or "heaping guilt" on BG, Celsus posted this:

Apparently you have judged me a "servant of Satan" Celsus. Is that correct? And how does anything I said which "heaped guilt" or "smeared" anyone compare to the above assertions by you? If you can't find anything I assume you will either apologize or admit you were being rather hypocritical and judgemental.

Rad

Celsus

Radorth

I'm currently involved in a much more interesting but extremely time consuming discussion in PD. You have basically ignored all my points, and focused on your persecution complex. There is no point in trying to explaining everything to you if you ignore the explanations and then repeat your silly assertions. As I've already said, forgive me if I no longer wish to teach you how to tie your own shoelaces.

Joel