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Old 12-30-2002, 10:39 PM   #51
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I may have an eternal life? I don't think so. This eternal life that won't happen -- it isn't dependent on my existing life?

If it doesn't exist then indeed it isn't dependent. But what are you saying?
I was just stating a fact that applies to all atheists. You don't know that you won't live forever in some after death rebirth. It could happen, of course most don't believe it will happen, but the fact is that you could and most atheist realize this possiblility. Common sense shows that life follows a cycle, that one life begets another life etc. So the potiential is there.

Further if you did have some type of eternal life, you most likely wouldn't believe that the moral behavior in this current life would have an effect on the next life.

Is this not true?
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Old 12-31-2002, 01:28 AM   #52
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Further if you did have some type of eternal life, you most likely wouldn't believe that the moral behavior in this current life would have an effect on the next life.
I have zero belief in an eternal life. Therefore I have no opinion about whether an eternal life is affected by this life's moral behavior.

I think an afterlife that's NOT affected by todays moral behavior is as unlikely as an afterlife that IS affected. I have zero belief in either.

Your mileage may vary with other atheists, as you know. Maybe some think differently on the issue.

To me though it's like asking you about the IPU; the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

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Further if there is an IPU, you most likely wouldn't believe She is a tap-dancer.
Well, I can't say that's how you feel about Her; because in your mind, she may be as likely to tap dance as she is to trot or frolic or eat oats from your hand.

Which is -- no chance.

Right?

That's how I feel about the afterlife.
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Old 12-31-2002, 02:32 AM   #53
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Common sense shows that life follows a cycle, that one life begets another life etc. So the potiential is there.
Precisely ~ 'one life begets *another* life'...not the *same* life.

So, while I am now conscious of my identity, in 1960 I was not...because 'I' was 'not', having been born well after.

At my death, the consciousness that is 'I' will end as wondrously as it began ~ and the rest will naturally decay into fertile substances (just as it has been doing all along), thereby providing elements for that other life you speak of to blossom.

PS cricket ~ <golf clap>
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You don't know that you won't live forever in some after death rebirth. It could happen, of course most don't believe it will happen, but the fact is that you could and most atheist realize this possiblility.
Of course, the point of this thread is to point out that the idea of eternal life, in whatever form you care to envision, would be a hell you could not escape from.

Some have disagreed with my conclusions. I think at least a couple said I have a limited imagination if I think I'd get bored. Of course, I think their supposition that they wouldn't get bored is evidence of their limited imagination. Stalemate.

I don't care how many things you can do to entertain yourself, after a while, every variation will be too much like the last. Eventually, you'll get bored with your own variations.

I got to thinking about this a few years back when I had all the time in the world--didn't have to work--and had all the money I wanted to spend, and complete freedom to do as I liked. I had this for years. For those who have never been there, this probably sounds like absolute heaven. For those who have, you understand in a way you cannot explain to those who haven't been there that such an existence is, in fact, hell.

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Common sense shows we die.

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... LOVE comes to mind.
What's so hard to understand about love?

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I think the eternal life is just a free bonus.
Which is precisely why I don't trust the claim.
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