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Old 07-31-2003, 01:15 PM   #11
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warrenly,

While I realize that you've already conceded that your opinion is largely uninformed, I was curious about this...
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to me it is glorified begging, asking for unearned monies.
How is any of the money that a patron gives a dancer "unearned"? Unless they just fell off the turnip truck, those who patronize strip clubs are aware that they are going somewhere to be entertained by the employees (dancers) whom they are customarily expected to tip. (Strip clubs aren't "free shows for charity" last time I checked).

If a patron and dancer start conversing and he asks her about her life situation and she tells him, I fail to see how that is "begging". If for some reason he feels sorry for her and chooses to tip her more or get more dances, that's kind of his problem, no? I've never heard of a dancer (and yes I've know/been around many) outright asking for a tip or to do a lapdance because of their personal situation and I would venture to guess that a dancer who did so wouldn't be looked at favorably by management. Further to that, dancers who are overly pushy/aggressive etc. tend not to do well in the long run and if patron is manipulated by this tactic it really only speaks to his being a pushover. Again, his problem.
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I was in a strip club once. It was depressing. I would never go willingly.

If the best reason you can come up with to do this is a vague sense of obligation, ignore it. If you really want to go, go.
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warrenly,

While I realize that you've already conceded that your opinion is largely uninformed, I was curious about this... How is any of the money that a patron gives a dancer "unearned"? Unless they just fell off the turnip truck, those who patronize strip clubs are aware that they are going somewhere to be entertained by the employees (dancers) whom they are customarily expected to tip. (Strip clubs aren't "free shows for charity" last time I checked).

If a patron and dancer start conversing and he asks her about her life situation and she tells him, I fail to see how that is "begging". If for some reason he feels sorry for her and chooses to tip her more or get more dances, that's kind of his problem, no? I've never heard of a dancer (and yes I've know/been around many) outright asking for a tip or to do a lapdance because of their personal situation and I would venture to guess that a dancer who did so wouldn't be looked at favorably by management. Further to that, dancers who are overly pushy/aggressive etc. tend not to do well in the long run and if patron is manipulated by this tactic it really only speaks to his being a pushover. Again, his problem.
Christ-on-a-stick, you've dragged me out of my bunker; see how easily I am manipulated. Keep in mind that I apparently don't know what I'm talking about, like I said, I've only been in a half-dozen strip clubs, however they are scattered geographically, including one in Calgary, Alberta, two in Las Vegas, Nevada, one each in Abilene and Houston, Texas and two here in The Buckle of The Bible Belt (TM), Tulsa, Oklahoma. In every last one of them there was constant hounding for tips from dancers, waitresses, and other people whose only job apparently was to walk around shaking the tip jar. The pressure to do so also came in the form of semi-naked women sitting on a guy's lap, unsolicited, or the ones that would come over and shake their ass, also unsolicited, then hold out their g-string in expectation of a tip being placed in it.

I've never seen management do anything about overly pushy/aggressive personnel, only patrons; in fact, I've seen a guy be asked to leave because they didn't tip and only wanted to sit and drink a beer (wasn't me); the guy hadn't done anything wrong at all, just picked the wrong bar to have a beer in. The only time I ever saw management do something about a dancer was during the Superbowl. Most of the patrons were watching the game instead of the dancer on stage, she became so angered at the lack of attention, and the resulting lack of tips I presume, that she went over to the big screen TV and shut it off to howls of displeasure from the patrons. I'm not sure, but due to the fact I didn't see her there the rest of that evening I think she was fired there and then, bad move on her part.

Every one of these places charged a cover charge to get in the door and all the drinks were considerably overpriced as well. Everything in the places from the ATM with $5.00 service fees to the women asking a guy to buy them a $5+ drink (Coke most of the time), right down to the rehearsed stories of the dancers, all of which I believe was designed to get as many dollars out of a guy as they could. It's worse than the state fair carnival.

I haven't even mentioned what I've seen the dancers do to get a tip, from rubbing their breasts in a guy's face, grinding their crotch on a guy's leg, to actually lifting the the nasty who-knows-where-its-been paper money off the guy's face with their labia. I've seen the dancers in Calgary actually catching loonies (Canadian dollar coins) in their vagina. I find this to be degrading and distasteful and am amazed that they don't. Apparently their dignity is for sale, sometimes for as little as a dollar.

You are completely right, it is the patron's problem, nobody makes anyone go to the places of business. I stay away from said places of business as much as I can. The only times I've ever gone was either for a bachelor's party or guys in town (or out of town) on business wanted to go and not wanting to be a stick-in-the-mud, I went along. Again, my problem, not theirs and not the dancers or the businesses.

I appreciate a finely sculpted female body as much as the next heterosexual guy, I just find the whole strip club atmosphere to be a real turn-off. It has been about 2-1/2 years since I was last in one and I will probably never go into another.

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Strip clubs suck IMHO.
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The fact is, these women make decent money and many of them are indeed putting themselves through school, and providing for hungry kids, and they are coming by it honestly. They are not out on the streets selling drugs or doing other illegal things. They are making an honest living, and I fail to see how that could be amusing.
A couple of years ago I was at a strip club with my buddies. There was one stripper in particular that kept hanging around us.

She had a tattoo on her arm saying "Dylan." She told us that was her son's name and that she lived in a trailer park near by.

Well, less than a week later, me and my buddy's are at a friends house, and guess who walks in the door?! None other than the same damn stripper!

Turns out she was a 19 year old, had rich parents, went to a 20k a year private high school and stripped some weekends for extra drug money!

Ain't that something! She told us that she and the other girls give stories like that to customers all the time.

Yes indeed, I am amused by the stories strippers tell.
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I briefly worked as a bouncer in strip clubs my senior year in college. At first, it seemed like the all-time good luck job for a collegiate athlete. Let me work only two nights a week, time to train, time to study, and, of course, I would be surrounded by naked women.

I heard the same stories that others have described time and time again, and they were all a load of crap. There were one or two decent girls, and by decent, I mean they simply did not fit the traditional mold. The majority were suffering from various forms of drug addiction, and many were in abusive relationships, with their boyfriend either beating them or pimping them.

I worked at a couple of different clubs, before deciding to move on, no matter how good the money was. Most depressing job I ever had.
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