Ion

I don't pay U.S. taxes on my work for Syria.
However, I pay U.S. taxes on my work for aiding the Israeli invasion of Palestine.

I don't want to pay U.S. taxes on my work for the Israeli invasion either.

I don't want to pay U.S. taxes on my work for social programs for little Bushes, like this little Bush who posts a 'pearl' of murder 'legitimacy' in the thread 'The Israeli army murdered an American today!':
I want to pay U.S. taxes on my work for universal medical care, raising wages and U.S. compliance with U.N..

In today's San Diego Union Tribune newspaper, I read:
"The U.N. Commission on Human Rights is about to begin an unnusual session that is likely to focus on the record and recent action of the United States.", and
"They also said that during the six-week session the commission could look at any action the Unites States took on Iraq."

I can pay taxes on my work for this U.N. Commission on Human Rights.

I also can pay taxes on my work for seeing Saddam and Bush fighting one-on-one, without the killing of thousands of Iraqi, like it was suggested by an Iraqi official a few months ago.

Grumpy

Bush didn't invent the electoral college. I don't blame him for that.

I do blame him for behaving like he won in a landslide -- while professing humility.

Nozferatu

I really wish we were living in Canada right now....I'm sick of paying taxes to this scumbag monkey's government and jewish cause bullsh&t.

Is there anyone on this planet that doesn't owe money to the jews and doesn't need to apologize to them for "what happened?" The entire suffering of the human race doesn't compare to what they went through right?

brighid

I don't think the millions of Jews around the world should be judged by the actions of the Israeli government, or the extremist groups that garner the most attention, or even those Jewish men and women who support the Israeli government. Just as you and I do not wished to be labelled as Bush supporters and Imperialistic scum just because we happen to be American, or an evil, devil worshippers because we are atheists! Judge people on the merits of their behavior, not their race, gender, national origin, political affiliation (even Republicans) or whatever erroneous stereotype that comes along with any prejudicial line of thinking. Let's not become worse then our enemies by such hypocrisy.

Brighid

leonarde

Previously posted:In what way did Bush "act like he won in a landslide"????
My memory is that he had a very tentative, slow-goes-it Presidency .......up to September 11th 2001. Even then he took his time about making a demand for bin Laden from Afghanistan. I see no evidence that Bush has acted "like he won in a landslide".

Cheers!

Nozferatu

I have to disagree with you on that point ...why? Because the PRESENT jewish state and people are still collecting and still blaming the PRESENT people and governments around the world for what happened to them 60 years ago.

Of any group of people anywhere in the world...the jews are still continously attempting and successfully forcing banks, automotive companies, businesses, various governments, people, organizations, on and on and on...to apologize and to pay them money... WHY?? It's 60 years later...the people today have nothing to do with what happened then right?? As you say....

They are the only successful group that has been able to screw people over and over and over again for what happened in WWII. And while at it, they've made every else forget about the world's other atrocities but their own.

brighid

Nozferatu,

No - the collective Jewish people all around the world, in this country and in Israel are not ALL to blame. Some are and many, specifically the many that I know in Israel and outside of Israel work everyday for peace and cooperation, nor do they have some vendetta, or expect people of the world to repay them for what happened in the Holocaust. This is about the Israeli government and those Americans and Jewish people who ACTUALLY support them.

No person, just because of ethnic descent or religious persuasion should be lumped together with people they do not support, just because it's easier to direct anger at an entire group of people then it is to take the time and objectively evalute an individual upon his or her own merits.

Even if the Israeli lobbying factions in this country is strong and even if the Israeli government is a despotic regime, ALL Jews are not to be counted amongst them - PERIOD. Unless you can conclusively prove that the genetic makeup of a Jew automatically creates an inherent and unalterable alliance with the present Israeli government with it's aggressive and oppressive practices you cannot with any credibility lump ALL Jews into the same boat.

You may disagree me with all you like. It is your right and I believe that right should be extended to all people, without prejudice, even if I find their expressions to be ignorant, repulsive, or otherwise. However, your disagreement does not make your position correct; logically, realistically or more over morally.

Perhaps you need to acquaint yourselves with the many organizations within this country, around the world and in Israel that do not infact support the Israeli government, or believe as you do so you may factually determine how wrong your ubiquitous and prejudicial labelling of a diverse people is simply incorrect. If you find but one your entire premise shall be tossed on it's ear.

I know many. Start with http://www.gush-shalom.org/.

Then see Rabbi Arik Ascherman: http://www.wrmea.com/archives/october01/0110015.html

Rabbis for Human Rights: http://www.rhr.israel.net/

The International Federation of Secular Humanistic Jews is another : www.ifshj.org/

Perhaps Einstein is yet another example of a Jew that were he alive would not fit into your dirty little box of hatred. He said, " Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. "

Brighid

brighid

The problem with this statement is that many of the businesses, governments and automotive companies you speak of directly profited from the theft of wealth of many a Jewish family. It maybe 60 years later, but many have been fighting for nearly 60 years to reclaim what was forcibly stolen from them, or regain what was once their families for those who did not make it out of the death camps. As well they should! Many of the people and corporations responsible for the Holocaust still exist and still maintain those fortunes begotten from the blood and ashes of millions of Jews (as well as others like my Polish family) who were killed for nothing more then being labelled as "Judenrat", "Christ killer", etc., etc. Can you not see the parallel with your thinking and the thought process that encouraged, bred and executed the Holocaust?

If these corporations have not indeed profited from the genocide of any group then they should not repay anything. However, if they are responsible the minimum of what is due is some sort of reparation. The lives lost cannot be returned with money, but the art, the jewelry, the currency, the land and other belongings CAN be compensated for and it should be.

Many of those individual people still seeking justice will stop when justice is actually appropriated.

The issue of the actually land of Israel is an entirely separate discussion.

Brighid

fanny666

You just got an FBI file started on yourself...

Dear Special Agent Undercover Atheist: I do not support the statements of the anti-American baby eating communist Krieger and I also believe absolutely everything that Dear Leader Bush says. And I also think Bush is smart. And a good Christian.

Grumpy

Overall, there's a general lack of conciliation and humility, combined with outrageous pandering to the far right. Specifically, I think of Bush's pledge to include Democrats in his cabinet -- a generous gesture, given the divided mandate of the election.

It turns out that by "Democrats" he meant one, singular -- Norm Mineta, who was already Commerce Secretary for Clinton.

On the other hand, we got appointments like John Ashcroft, who was so popular in Missouri in 2000 that he lost re-election to a dead man.