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Corwin · 07-11-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jesse
According to the LoEG notes:

Friend of mine said that too..... from what I remember (bear in mind it's been years) Lucy Harker fit in that role and Mina was her childhood friend who was turned, and later killed by Van Helsing since she was beyond recovery.

Go fig.

Jesse · 07-11-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Corwin
Friend of mine said that too..... from what I remember (bear in mind it's been years) Lucy Harker fit in that role and Mina was her childhood friend who was turned, and later killed by Van Helsing since she was beyond recovery.

I think you're just mixing up the names. According to this plot summary of Dracula:

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Meanwhile, in England, Jonathan's fianc�e Mina visits her best friend, Lucy Westenra. Lucy has recently been proposed to by three men�Arthur Holmwood, Dr. Seward, and Quincey Morris. She chooses Arthur to be her happy fianc�. Mina and Lucy vacation together at Whitby, a quaint seaside town. While they are there, a Russian vessel is shipwrecked. A large dog leaps from the wreck and runs away. All of its crew are missing save one dead captain. The ship was carrying fifty boxes of earth from Dracula's castle. Despite the wreck, the boxes are delivered as ordered. Lucy begins to exhibit strange behavior: she sleepwalks often, and she seems to be growing paler and weaker. Eerie things happen�one night, Mina finds her unconscious in the cemetery, as a figure with glowing eyes bends over her. The figure disappears as Mina comes closer, but night after night strange events continue and Lucy grows thinner and paler with each passing day.

...

Mysterious attacks against children have begun in the area where Lucy was buried. Van Helsing shows Seward, Quincey, and Arthur that the cause is Lucy, who is now one of the undead. Arthur is the one who gives his fianc�e peace by staking her through the heart. The four men pledge to destroy Dracula next.

Corwin · 07-11-2003, 10:59 PM

Actually I think it's the play I was involved in that's mixing up the names..... been much longer since I even touched the book.

ashe · 07-11-2003, 11:55 PM

I loved the part where the chauffeur says, "Call me Ishmael."

07-12-2003, 08:08 PM

I'm watching Ebert & Roeper and both have just slammed "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" as silly and as making so sense whatsoever. Two thumbs, way down!

In fact, Ebert thinks it will go down on his list of the worst ten films of the year.

So, should I see it on the big screen if I have the chance?

(I say "the chance" because my roommate wants me to go with her to see "Finding Nemo", I'd also like to see Pirates of the Caribbean, maybe T3 and "The Hulk" but I'm less sure about the last two.)

The Naked Mage · 07-12-2003, 09:05 PM

THUMBS-UP:

Moriarty's residence in Mongolia. It was like Castle Wolfenstein, only more high-tech.

THUMBS-DOWN:

The ending. With the witch doctor and the rifle. Uh, what the hell?

Jesse · 07-13-2003, 09:17 AM

According to aintitcool, Kevin O'Neill, the illustrator of the original comic, liked the movie:

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�I have seen LEAGUE and it is SPECTACULAR!!!!

Hi Harry, Kevin O�Neill here. I am the co creator of the LEAGUE comic book

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is an alternate reality treatment of our source material. Alan and I got to play with many fictional icons and now the filmmakers get to play with them in their version � and what a wild and spectacular time they have!!!! Great makeup and special effects (Hyde looks just like I draw him!), lush production design and a wonderful cast. Tony Curran runs close to the creepiness of Hawley Griffin and Peta Wilson is smart and beautiful as Mina Harker and deserves a lot more screen time.

Sure I�d like to have seen our Nautilus on screen and Mina leading the group�but Sean Connery (our original model for Quatermain, by the way) is an icon playing and icon. Given the odds of anything coming close to the source in movies, our title has been treated with rare good taste.

Fans of the comic with open minds will really enjoy the film!�

August Spies · 07-13-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Jesse
(spoilers for the graphic novel below)

No, it was just "M" in the graphic novel too--Moore was probably suggesting he was a predecessor to James Bond's "M", since the League's contact with M was through a guy named "Campion Bond". Miss Murray originally guessed "M" was Mycroft Holmes, brother of Sherlock, although as you say she turned out to be wrong.

See the first few entries in the Notes on League of Extraordinary Gentlemen #1, where they discuss both Campion and M.

________________SPOILER____________

Jesse: have you read the comic book? It is definitly M for Moraity, Holmes' arch nemesis. This is very clear in the comic book as they league ends up fighting Moriaty.

edit: you might need to look at the notes for League # 5 or #6 to figure this out though.

Jesse · 07-13-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by August Spies
________________SPOILER____________

Jesse: have you read the comic book? It is definitly M for Moraity, Holmes' arch nemesis. This is very clear in the comic book as they league ends up fighting Moriaty.

edit: you might need to look at the notes for League # 5 or #6 to figure this out though.

(spoiler)

I think you misunderstood something in my post--where did I say M wasn't Moriarty? I just said Miss Murray thought it was Mycroft Holmes.

Maybe you were confused by my statement that 'No, it was just "M" in the graphic novel too'. But I didn't mean that M's full name was never revealed, I was just responding to Pierre Bezukhov's post that said it was Mr. M in the comic, rather than "M".

As it turns out, though, I was wrong about that detail--I just looked back at the comic and they did call him "Mr. M" rather than just "M". Still, Moore did apparently mean to suggest a parallel between James Bond/M and Campion Bond/Mr. M.

Bree · 07-14-2003, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by The Naked Mage
THUMBS-DOWN:

The ending. With the witch doctor and the rifle. Uh, what the hell?

I was under the impression that the witch doctor was bringing him back to life - recall the whole "Africa won't let me die" thing from earlier in the film.

I think Jek and I were the only people laughing at certain parts: the "Call me Ishmael" bit, all the cheesy Phantom of the Opera references, Dorian Grey plucking his eyebrows (classic, that). Everyone else thought we were nuts-o. Maybe that's because no one reads anymore <sigh>. The original books that the characters came from are all on the lighter side of classic literature.

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07-11-2003, 10:59 PM	#13
Corwin Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,369	Actually I think it's the play I was involved in that's mixing up the names..... been much longer since I even touched the book.

07-11-2003, 11:55 PM	#14
ashe Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: _ Posts: 1,651	I loved the part where the chauffeur says, "Call me Ishmael."

07-12-2003, 08:08 PM	#15
HeatherD Guest Posts: n/a	I'm watching Ebert & Roeper and both have just slammed "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" as silly and as making so sense whatsoever. Two thumbs, way down! In fact, Ebert thinks it will go down on his list of the worst ten films of the year. So, should I see it on the big screen if I have the chance? (I say "the chance" because my roommate wants me to go with her to see "Finding Nemo", I'd also like to see Pirates of the Caribbean, maybe T3 and "The Hulk" but I'm less sure about the last two.)

07-12-2003, 09:05 PM	#16
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	THUMBS-UP: Moriarty's residence in Mongolia. It was like Castle Wolfenstein, only more high-tech. THUMBS-DOWN: The ending. With the witch doctor and the rifle. Uh, what the hell?

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