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Old 02-27-2003, 09:15 AM   #31
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I think there has been at least some reference to extrahuman ethics. I posited "Generate as little entropy as possible," for example, which implies an ethic of conservation of natural resources, among other things. Darwin's Terrior's 'nothing in excess' is a similar ethical rule.
Does that mean it's immoral to run down the street naked being chased by bulls whilst shooting firecrackers off out of my nostrils?



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Old 02-27-2003, 09:22 AM   #32
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I posited "Generate as little entropy as possible," for example, which implies an ethic of conservation of natural resources, among other things.
Doesn't it also imply sitting on the couch as much as possible, eating as little as possible. Or better yet, spending your entire life on the toilet, so that you never have to expend energy to go to the bathroom. Oh yeah, and with a mini-fridge right next to you. Except the fridge is a big entropy source, so you shouldn't eat anything that needs to be refridgerated. Of course, you'll need to hire someone to grocery shop for you. Make it a midget, because they consume fewer resources than normal-sized folks. Or, perhaps you could train a dog to do it. A small dog, like a dauchsund. And no sex. Sex is definitely out.

Yes. That sounds like a low-entropy life-style.

Now, if we could just convince J. Witnesses and Mormons to adopt this "minimal-entropy" lifestyle, they wouldn't be walking around neighborhoods anymore, knocking on my door.

But then, they might start calling me on the phone. But, ha! I've got caller ID! Don't even have to say anything. Come to think of it, that helps reduce entropy.

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So why not just possibly consider the fact that a good God inspired the golden rule?
rubbercok3000, did God have any reasons for the rules he gave us? Or are they just his groundless, arbitrary whims? If he had reasons, what were those reasons, and why can't we just bypass God and appeal to them? If he had no reasons, what makes his groundless, arbitrary whims any better than ours (you don't think that might makes right, do you, that his rules count because he has the power to enforce them)? Do you think the statement "God is good" is meaningful (i.e. are there standards of goodness that are independent of God and to which he can be meaningfully measured)? Or is it just the same as saying "God is what God is," which could be said with equal validity of you, me, or Satan?
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Does that mean it's immoral to run down the street naked being chased by bulls whilst shooting firecrackers off out of my nostrils?



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Whether or not it's moral, it sure would be entertaining.

And making others happy counts for something, doesn't it?
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[B]Does that mean it's immoral to run down the street naked being chased by bulls whilst shooting firecrackers off out of my nostrils?

Not if I can watch.

BTW, it might be better phrased as "Generate as litle entropy as necessary." Sometimes it's necessary to have a little fun at entropy's expense.
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Just kidding.

Understood. The sad thing is you damn near described my lifestyle.
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Understood. The sad thing is you damn near described my lifestyle.
But, but, but, isn't Sloth one of the seven deadly sins? Do you mean there is a moral standard that contradicts the one put forth by xianity? I thought rubber cock already proved that was not the case! If it is, I'm going to have to free my slaves and start suffering witches to live!
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But, but, but, isn't Sloth one of the seven deadly sins?

Yes, and the very sight of Kevin Spacey sends terror through my heart!

Do you mean there is a moral standard that contradicts the one put forth by xianity? I thought rubber cock already proved that was not the case! If it is, I'm going to have to free my slaves and start suffering witches to live!

I believe there are some unique moral standards that one can glean from Xianity. I, for instance, never boil a kid goat in its mother's milk. The horror!
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Do atheists have morals and if so why? What are you guys taking to be the standard of right and wrong action? I am guessing that most of you take the relativistic philosophy on things and say that right and wrong is relative to the doer and his unique perception.
There are some of us atheists, myself included, who are moral objectivists without resorting to theism. I base my morals on the absolute truth (truth in the human realm of understanding) and the fact that man is in its essence a rational being who has free will, where he is a means and ends to himself only that rejects any use of violence, ie, going against his free will.
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I believe there are some unique moral standards that one can glean from Xianity. I, for instance, never boil a kid goat in its mother's milk. The horror!
In other words, no swiss cheese on my roast beef on rye! I can see how we arrived at that interpretation.

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