AmericanHeretic

originally posted by PerhapsItsTruth:
This is...

1) personal interpretation of...
2) personal experience which....
3) bears no objective indication which....
4) is no more convincing than Elvis sightings, and...
5) does not rise above the "personal experiences" of any other religion, but....
6) talks about "someone's Mama" so that if you discount this story out of hand, you are then implied to be a cold heartless skeptical and cynical atheist with a hardened heart and who's mean and stuff because you don't believe the story of how God saved your friend's Mama 'cause she prayed and God loves her and saved her and .....
7) even when an atheist receives proof of God they don't listen, because they are closed minded and have faith in their opinion and can't ever ever let go of that opinion because it's their religion.

I feel your pain.

Friends [insert Earnest Angely smile here, remember him?], let me testify! Yes, sweet godlessness has acted several times in my non-sinful life, and I am not grateful for it, deeply and heartfeltedly too, yup. These are true real life honest experiences and my very own Mama can act as my irrefutable witness, which, hey, somebody's Mama is a witness that even the courts always believe and you should too, godlessness said so and everyone knows it and you know that's just right, ask your Mama if you don't believe me!

Once, I was in bad shape. Doctors said I'd be a cripple. I did not pray and then I was cured! True story! Ask my Mama if you don't believe me. You wouldn't doubt someone's Mama would you now? That would be rude and bad manners. So, since I was cured and did not pray, this proves "by logic and reason" there is no god.

Another time, I was sick, really badly sick, and nearing the need for surgery. Again I didn't pray and again I was cured. It could have been the medicine they pumped into my veins for two weeks straight, but, fact is, and my Mama can attest to this, I never prayed, and again the nonexistence of god saved me! It's a miracle!

I should be an atheist evangelist huh...Next week I am gonna try online faithlessness healing, stay tuned!

hezekiah jones

Perhaps someone asked for, and then ignored, Philosoft's proof.

Kvalhion

Okay, 'Perhaps', lets do use some logic and reason here. For every urban legend you come up with regarding how someone is 'miraculously' healed of a potentially fatal disease, I will document one hundred cases where someone was not miraculously healed, despite pleas and prayers to their god.

You want to use logic and reason? For starters, pay attention to the stories you see every single day in the newspapers. You know, stories where young daughters disappear and family and friends gather for a prayer vigil, only to find their daughters nude body a few days later. Or how about the story about an eight month pregnant lady who disappeared under suspicious circumstances, where (despite numerous prayer vigils), police are treating the case as homicidal violence?

Logic and reason show me very clearly that you are simply clinging to an unfalsifiable position. You will not put your ass on the line and make a prediction about the outcome of something (unless it is more or less assured) to show evidence of your god, you will only look after the fact and attribute things that have already happened to your god. Logic and reason tell me thats mighty convenient of you. Logic and reason also tell me that for every case I will show where prayer was useless in the result that was hoped for, you will twist it in such a way where it is a good thing that people die horribly and painfully because they are with your omnibenevolent god.

People like you do amuse us... for about 5 minutes. Then, inevitably, we see the same illogical and unreasonable arguments surface. It would continue to be amusing if it weren't so pathetic.

Philosoft

I should be used to it by now. Shame, though. That was one of the more obvious ones.

Jayhawker Soule

How nice for you.
Why should that constitute a reason? The lack of "irrefutable proof" for or against existence is common when discussing virtually all fantasies. You must be literally awash in
hilarity.
Ah. Now I see the problem: you've been so engaged with yourself and your laughter that you haven't been paying attention. The atheist presents no evidence against the Faerie Kingdom. She or he simply suggest that it does not warrant belief unless and until compelling evidence is submitted on its behalf.
How did you go so quickly from "absolute hilarity" to being sad because your faith got the better of you? Perhaps you would suffer fewer, and less dramatic, mood swings if you were less reliant on faith, i.e. belief sans evidenve, for those thing deserving of evidence.

Absolutely true! Leaving you with no valid protocol for selecting your fantasy and dismissing all others.

Is it God or Gods? Rapture rubbish or Demiurge heresy?
So, you came here to call people ignorant. I find that a bit infantile, but, then again, you have not proven yourself to be overly discerning thus far.

Silent Dave

*smacks self* Darnitall! What the heck was I thinking, trying to slip gibberish past you!


Dave

Jobar

PIT:
Well then, you haven't seen what I have, have you?

"I can prove it but I ain't gonna show *you*, nyah nyah nyah!"

Perhaps, playground tactics like this will get you nothing but anvils dropped upon your head in this forum. Put up or shut up.

Dave, your turn-about on him was perfect. :notworthy

Zadok001

No, I haven't seen what you have. However, I can explain it. Anything you attribute to your deity, I attribute to the IPU, whose nature is truely benevolent and acts to help you and yours despite your wrongheaded beliefs about reality.

See where this eventually leads? There's no way to show your God has more evidence for it than the IPU does. The result is that we ought to believe in both equally.

I don't believe in God. I don't believe in the IPU.

You believe in God.

PerhapsItsTruth

Hm, obviously not as perfect as expected.

:banghead:

-Perhaps...

Free Thinkr

Wow... you missed my point so completely. Let me clarify: I am not going into disproving the christian god in this thread. If you want my attempt, start another. My point with the starving child example was that, just because two things happen, it does not mean one caused the other. You have no more proof that prayer saved your friend's mother than the death of childrend did.