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Old 03-26-2003, 05:01 AM   #11
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It probably was a patriotic hacker, but until I KNOW otherwise, I'll stick to the most obvious suspects thank you very much.
Which would be a single person or a small group of people not affiliated with a government.

Just like how many arab sites were taken off line with DOS attacks by regular joes shortly after 9-11

A DOS attack is neither sohpisticated nor permanent. It would make no sense for the government to commit resources just to take a site down for a few hours.

Based on your reasoning you should have just admitted

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It probably was a patriotic hacker, but until I KNOW otherwise, I'll stick to the suspects I dislike the most
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Old 03-26-2003, 07:09 AM   #12
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This is a common misconception...
Probably too common for you to bother clarifying anymore... hackers are stuck with that just like bisexuals are stuck with the misconception of being queers, xians are stuck with the misconception of being good, and Americans are stuck with the misconception of being Free Speech advocates. My brand new, 2001 edition Random House, among other proper definitions, erroneously says a hacker is "a person who engages in an activity without talent or skill". Go figger! Unfortunately, Random House is probably bigger than you are.

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Old 03-26-2003, 07:15 AM   #13
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A sense of humor is a terrible thing to lose... if you begin searching now, there may be some hope. I clearly gave up that argument in the first words of my second post.

Still, you're uh, going on record saying that there is an actual person or group with more of a "motive" to silence Al Jeezera, than the US government and its military... is that correct? That is the only point that post made.

And more... you are right with the rephrasing, I'll stick to the suspects I dislike the most. I do indeed dislike them the most. At least I was able to convey to you that I am too smart to fall for this administration's childish self-saving propaganda and diversionary pranks... they have literally gone mad. If you are unable to see this, I suggest that in addition to losing your sense of humor, you have lost ALL your critical thinking skills as well.

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Old 03-26-2003, 09:17 AM   #14
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Liquidrage:

A sense of humor is a terrible thing to lose... if you begin searching now, there may be some hope. I clearly gave up that argument in the first words of my second post.

Still, you're uh, going on record saying that there is an actual person or group with more of a "motive" to silence Al Jeezera, than the US government and its military... is that correct? That is the only point that post made.

And more... you are right with the rephrasing, I'll stick to the suspects I dislike the most. I do indeed dislike them the most. At least I was able to convey to you that I am too smart to fall for this administration's childish self-saving propaganda and diversionary pranks... they have literally gone mad. If you are unable to see this, I suggest that in addition to losing your sense of humor, you have lost ALL your critical thinking skills as well.

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You're confusing two different issues and I don't believe you understand what a DoS attack is.

1st, the "most obvious" does not have to come from the source with the largest "motive".

I'll throw out a number. There are probably 1000x more regular American citizens with no attachment to the government capable of launching an effective DoS attack.
The "most obvious" would clearly be a regular American, expecially considering this was rather common against Arab sites after 9-11 and the US government asked them to stop.


Next, I think you need to understand what a DoS attack actually is.
First, it is an annoyance. As GodBlessAmerica said, as soon as the attack is over, generically speaking, things start working again as if the attack never happened.
What happens is packets are sent that a server responds to. When done en masse, the server recieves more requests then it can handle so it appears to be unavailable.

So I do not even see how you can say that the US had the largest "motive" for this attack. It was a temporary action and I see nothing that would be gained from the US for temporarily (a few hours) making it difficult (but not immposible) to get through to a website. If the attack was one that took over the server then you'd have a better case, yet still the most obvious source would be a regular American. I see you acknowledge this earlier, yet you are still trying to make a case for the government/military having the largest motive for it and I don't see it.


Lastly, from the article:
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Nabil Hegazi, assistant to the managing editor of the English Web site, denied that an attack was the reason the site was unavailable. He said it was difficult to access because of traffic that was almost four times more than expected.
Basically, this is another form of a DoS attack. In essence, they were Slashdotted

Is that enough of a sense of humor for you?
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Sauron, Im sorry to disappoint you but it sounded like a hacker done that out of personal interest. Any experienced hacker can do it.
I guess that's why your nick is "God Bless America."

You're hoping that He'll improve your national standard of education...
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English is not my native language, I do hope that will improve in the future. I was just too lazy to think of a name since my last nick was too offensve and got me banned.
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English is not my native language, I do hope that will improve in the future. I was just too lazy to think of a name since my last nick was too offensve and got me banned.
Don't worry about it.

It is long known on the internet that when you can't argue against someone's point you attack their spelling and grammar.
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Fair enough.

Interestingly, however, your spelling and grammar are no worse than I've seen from the average American on the Net.

The standard practice is to spell words just as they are spoken, with a breathtaking disregard for etymology.

Hence:
  • Israel becomes "Isreal."
  • Than becomes "then."
  • A lot becomes "alot."
And so on.

If I had a euro for every one I've seen...
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Old 03-26-2003, 09:31 AM   #19
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It is long known on the internet that when you can't argue against someone's point you attack their spelling and grammar.
I don't believe he'd even made one yet...
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I don't believe he'd even made one yet...
So you are trying to make a point that even though the thread was made to discuss about hackers (or crackers LOL) attacking the al-jazeera network, it is more interesting to complain about spelling and grammar errors.
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