winstonjen

Magus, according to the bible, Satan rebelled against probably the most cruel, terrible, horrible, inconsiderate tyrant in existence. Sounds like a pretty good being to me.

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
Um, if the God of the bible exists, Satan can't reward you with crap.

Um, if the God of the bible exists, he can't reward me with crap either. Not unless I brainwash myself and follow him like a sheep, that is.

Satan does not like you. He isn't trying to be friends with you, he WANTS you to suffer like him.

The God of the bible doesn't like people who refuse to grovel before him. He isn't trying to be friends with us, he WANTS us to suffer (in hell if we don't obey him).

He is sadistic and enjoys the pain and suffering humans endure.

The God of the bible is sadistic too, considering how much torture he inflicts on people in the Old Testament.

Second, fun plus hell in same sentence. Um wrong.

fun plus heaven in same sentence? Um that wrong too.

Hell is a separation from God.

Right away that makes it a good thing.

There is nothing worse.

Actually there is. Having to worship a tyrant for all eternity (i.e. heaven) would be worse.

What a disturbing view if God turns out to be real.

I couldn't agree more with this description of Christianity.

Illithid

When I was a Satanist, this is exactly how I thought of it. I held Satan, Hecate, and Prometheus as mythical role models, without thinking they (or any god) actually existed. Oddly enough, I came up with these ideas without reading LeVay. I saw them as a Jungian archetype, the rebel against tyranny, even if the rebellion cannot succeed it may be the only moral choice available.

I've mellowed out a little, gotten happier, with a family and all, but it was an important source of strength for me in a dark time. At one point, I was intending suicide (as a side note, I would not "attempt" suicide: if I tried it, it would work). This philosophical homebrew of mine gave me a way to turn pain and loneliness into anger and a refusal to give in.

Would this be a unique testimony or what? "Satan saves!"

Fiach

The nation wide "God bless America" campaign has shown few tangible results. Osama is still on the lamb while George Bush is distracted fighting Osama's other enemy, Saddam Husseine. Am I missing something here or is the scenario really a load of bollocks?

Maybe Bushie needs to try a different bless America Campaign. The muslims don't feel scared and call America the Great Satan and the UK as one of his imps.

Lets switch to "Satan Bless America". And maybe the Iranians will be scared.

Fiach

Treacle Worshipper

lol, Fiach great idea!
BTW, it's "Lebensraum" = living-room.
"Liebensraum" wld = "loving-room"
TW

theIPU

Really??? How can you get away from an omni-present being?
I choose to go to hell? Well, if i do, it's God's fault because he created me that way . And yeah, it seems that God is hurting me because he's supposedly omni-potent and omni-benevolent and still lets bad stuff happen to me

Ya, I totally agree...I mean...If God loved us he'd get rid of Satan

[Edited to fix formatting - BJM]

Fiach

My German is at best a vocabulary of 5 words. Thanks for the reply. However, maybe the Gerries also wanted "Shagging room."

Fiach

Magus55

God didn't create you that way, he created you with the ability to obey or not, you chose not, and you will have to pay the consequences. Bad stuff happens because humans made things turn bad by sinning. God isn't obligated to clean up the mess humans made by disobeying.

Getting rid of Satan wouldn't make the world a wonderful place. Satan is only an influence, hes not omnipotent. Humans can create evil and suffering just fine on their own. But Satan is still around because 1) Humans choose to follow his example by sinning without repentence, so God is letting us "reap what we sow", 2) God can use Satan's evil to bring about good and glory to Him, 3) Allowing Satan to remain tests peoples faith.

theIPU

Bad stuff happens because humans made things turn bad by sinning. Hmmm, well, who tempts us?? Satan?? Evil?? Didn't God create that because he created everything? God isn't obligated to clean up the mess humans made?? Why not? I mean after all, he made it that way.

Getting rid of satan (evil) wouldn't make the world a wonderful place? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a world without any evil all good? Too bad that all-powerful being who "loves us" didn't make it that way to begin with.

1. Humans follow satan's example by sinning without repentence...I wonder why God gave satan's example a possibility in the first place...

2. God can use evil to bring a greater good and glory to Him?? couldn't God bring the greatest good out without evil using his all-powerfullness? Why does he need glory for himself? Isn't he just perfect anyway?

3. Satan tempts people to test their faith? wouldn't God already know what they will do anyway because he's omniscient, I mean, what's the point?

Badfish

Exactly!!

Good post.