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Ojuice5001 · 10-20-2002, 07:42 PM

My shrine to Jupiter and Postverta is very basic: It's a stone. It's a stone the size of an eggplant that I think looks cool, especially since the moss growing on it gives an appearance of age. Here in Florida almost everyone has an actual yard, so I keep it outside, but if I moved to the middle of a large city I could adjust quite well to keeping the stone in the middle of other things. Even now I keep it right next to the wall of my building.

So that's my advice. Find a holy-looking stone or other natural object that you can remove from its environment and take into your garden. Then venerate that stone there.

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Heathen Dawn · 10-20-2002, 10:27 PM

Good advice here, except for dostf (who apparently can't grasp the rewarding emotional appeal in nature-worship).

I'll see if growing a plant on the window-sill helps. I've already been to the graveyard, and there's quite a holy, though scary, atmosphere there.

Heathen Dawn · 10-21-2002, 01:01 AM

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I HD wants to do them, that's her buisness.

His business. I'm a man.

HelenM · 10-21-2002, 01:36 AM

Heathen Dawn I'm sorry that in moving you lost easy access to where you did your rituals. I guess you must have really needed to move away from your parents, or whatever, to make the choice to give that up. I hope that it is helping you in general to have done so.

I don't know whether this will help but anyway - for quite a few years I lived right downtown Chicago - on streets with no trees; and I would walk to work, through streets largely devoid of nature but I did learn to appreciate what there was. I think it's possible to learn to make do with what's there. So I'm glad you're not dismissing people's suggestions about plants, or whatever. Maybe even though it's not ideal, you can learn to have your rituals in a space that's easily available to you. Maybe you can close your eyes and remember the park where you used to be, too...I don't know whether that would work. But sometimes our imagination can be a big help...

I haven't much idea of what your rituals could be so I apologize if what I said is of no help due to my lack of knowledge about them.

take care
Helen

10-21-2002, 01:36 AM

I do "nature rituals" in graveyards all the time with my buddies Burke and Hare.

They're swell fellas...I really dig 'em.

Heathen Dawn · 10-21-2002, 10:49 AM

The graveyard is a very scary place. I walk there in constant fear that spirits of the dead might attack me.

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For there is another truth about Mysteries, and that is that they cannot be understood by all who demand the right to understand them. Despite the demands of the politically correct for equal access for all to everything, the Gods do as they wish and give visions and wisdom to those they choose - but by no means to all. If the Gods were really politically correct, they would have created all mountain tops to be easily accessible by wheelchair. As it is, we do not have a right to receive these things, but they often can be earned with a degree of persistence, luck and humility.

I've never had a vision, never had any paranormal experience, never had a single sign of anything supernatural in my life. All my life this nightmare appears before me: that I am really alone in this natural, indifferent universe.

I hear screams in my head. My life is a nightmare.

Heathen Dawn · 10-22-2002, 12:26 PM

Soul or anima exists in all beings, from the tiniest atom to the greatest planet. The whole universe is ensouled. Each tree and stone is a god in its own right. The universe is full of gods.

The souls all emanate from the Source - the being which religions call God. They are ever mixed and separated and recombined in the passage of life and death.

The God of the Earth turns it round. The Goddess of the Sun makes her shine. The God of Waters makes the rivers flow. The Gods of the Trees make them grow.

Revelatio est una videnda:
divinum est universum, deorum plenum.

dostf · 10-22-2002, 04:36 PM

Good advice here, except for dostf (who apparently can't grasp the rewarding emotional appeal in nature-worship).(heathen dawn)

- I can however grasp the rewarding emotional appeal in loving and caring for another human being
- that you choose to "worship" the living and the non living that are inferior to your own truth and beauty that you yourself do not know , is sad, but of course your choice.....
- sincerely best wishes as i will leave the thread for those that may be more helpful to you than I

Be seeing you...

Waning Moon Conrad · 10-29-2002, 02:51 AM

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jankin · 10-29-2002, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by Heathen Dawn:
...I'll see if growing a plant on the window-sill helps.

It does. Been there, done that. But choose weeds, if you have a gray thumb like me

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I've already been to the graveyard, and there's quite a holy, though scary, atmosphere there.

Don't really see why it's scary. You as the living anchor death, just as death anchors life. Without your life, there is no death. If there is anything there at all, it is intense interest and appreciation. What else do the dead have to do but contemplate you? They certainly can't hurt you; only you can do that (without the attention of muggers that is.)

- jankin

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Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	My shrine to Jupiter and Postverta is very basic: It's a stone. It's a stone the size of an eggplant that I think looks cool, especially since the moss growing on it gives an appearance of age. Here in Florida almost everyone has an actual yard, so I keep it outside, but if I moved to the middle of a large city I could adjust quite well to keeping the stone in the middle of other things. Even now I keep it right next to the wall of my building. So that's my advice. Find a holy-looking stone or other natural object that you can remove from its environment and take into your garden. Then venerate that stone there. [ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: Ojuice5001 ]</p>

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10-20-2002, 10:27 PM	#12
Heathen Dawn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,656	Good advice here, except for dostf (who apparently can't grasp the rewarding emotional appeal in nature-worship). I'll see if growing a plant on the window-sill helps. I've already been to the graveyard, and there's quite a holy, though scary, atmosphere there.

10-21-2002, 01:36 AM	#14
HelenM Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ill Posts: 6,577	Heathen Dawn I'm sorry that in moving you lost easy access to where you did your rituals. I guess you must have really needed to move away from your parents, or whatever, to make the choice to give that up. I hope that it is helping you in general to have done so. I don't know whether this will help but anyway - for quite a few years I lived right downtown Chicago - on streets with no trees; and I would walk to work, through streets largely devoid of nature but I did learn to appreciate what there was. I think it's possible to learn to make do with what's there. So I'm glad you're not dismissing people's suggestions about plants, or whatever. Maybe even though it's not ideal, you can learn to have your rituals in a space that's easily available to you. Maybe you can close your eyes and remember the park where you used to be, too...I don't know whether that would work. But sometimes our imagination can be a big help... I haven't much idea of what your rituals could be so I apologize if what I said is of no help due to my lack of knowledge about them. take care Helen

10-21-2002, 01:36 AM	#15
Cthulhu Guest Posts: n/a	I do "nature rituals" in graveyards all the time with my buddies Burke and Hare. They're swell fellas...I really dig 'em.

10-22-2002, 12:26 PM	#17
Heathen Dawn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,656	Soul or anima exists in all beings, from the tiniest atom to the greatest planet. The whole universe is ensouled. Each tree and stone is a god in its own right. The universe is full of gods. The souls all emanate from the Source - the being which religions call God. They are ever mixed and separated and recombined in the passage of life and death. The God of the Earth turns it round. The Goddess of the Sun makes her shine. The God of Waters makes the rivers flow. The Gods of the Trees make them grow. Revelatio est una videnda: divinum est universum, deorum plenum.

10-22-2002, 04:36 PM	#18
dostf Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto canada Posts: 498	Good advice here, except for dostf (who apparently can't grasp the rewarding emotional appeal in nature-worship).(heathen dawn) - I can however grasp the rewarding emotional appeal in loving and caring for another human being - that you choose to "worship" the living and the non living that are inferior to your own truth and beauty that you yourself do not know , is sad, but of course your choice..... - sincerely best wishes as i will leave the thread for those that may be more helpful to you than I Be seeing you...

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