Biff the unclean

no the ban has not been lifted. flame deleted - liv

Rats, and it fit right in with the OP (the OP which waddles like a flame, and quacks like a flame) too.

Muad'Dib

The so-called "gospel of wealth" that exemplifies this attitude is unique to post-Restoration American Christianity, and is hardly indicative of theism in general.

sophie

I do not even think that this is true, it only seem to be true.

Let us take for example an Earth which had evolved or could evolve into a world of love. Something like the hippie movement of the sixties, but on a widespread scale. Peace and Love. Wow brother and Yeh sister. Who killed the movement? Why was the movement killed?

If the foundation of life rested on love instead of dissidence, hatred, divide and conquer, the world would have been a far far better place than I would have ever known. For this I mourn.

I fully well believe the far end result of theistic autocracy is total sharing and full self-responsibility. You never wait for someone else to do the job, if there is something to be done you do it yourself. Show some initiative. Forget the slavery thing, passing the buck nonsense and the sucker play.


Go enjoy.

sophie

That sure is a puzzle since all I had read on II was how the Christian God was so awfully wicked to do all those evil deeds. I needed to clarify this seeming mis-conception of mine. As I mentioned earlier, it was perhaps only Academic exercises, really meaning no harm to the Theists.

livius drusus

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Marduk

"Let us take for example an Earth which had evolved or could evolve into a world of love. Something like the hippie movement of the sixties, but on a widespread scale. Peace and Love. Wow brother and Yeh sister. Who killed the movement?"

Henry Kissinger

"Why was the movement killed? "

bad for business

beware, Henry is eveywhere!

Doctor X

I have noticed from reading the II that theists all blame Brad Pitt for the evils of the world. . . .

Name the fallacy. . . .

--J.D.

Dr Rick

Hardly; theism has profound real-world effects.

I would have to say that I bear no ill-will towards anyone for what they believe.

First of all, there are literally thousands of threads open on these fora which literallly have nothing to do with gods. You can find and intiate non-religious discussions on just about everything from string-theory to accupuncture to George Bush Jr. Atheists do lots more than just diss gods...

Second of all, those arguments from atheists about the wickedness of a god or gods are postulated along the lines of "assuming for the sake of argument that god(s) exist(s)..." A postulate or assumption is not an indication that the exercise is an academic one. All arguments, practical or academic or in-between, are based upon postulates.

Kruzkal

Theists often believe that the alleged designer is somehow not liable for the functions of the design.

This is not an attribute known uniquely of theists. In futher inspection this is an attribute more commonly known of humanists and atheists.

Atheism by definition lacks the belief in the existence of gods. And does not blame anything so to speak on gods. Although atheists often state that the concept of some gods imply the liability of the status of humanity and the planet is on those gods.

Atheists can, and often do, lead a full and enjoyable life. We know that this is all we get, and all that everybody else gets, so we do the best that we can for ourselves and others. It's no good praying for people dying in a third-world country, there's no god to help them, only people. If people don't do it, nobody else will. I am sickened whenever there is a major disaster in the world, and some politician or church leader says that the victims desperately need our prayers. No they don't. They need someone to go and dig them out of the rubble, comfort the bereaved, find out why the plane crashed, bring them food and medicine. Prayer is not going to do that, people are. There is an orphanage in Kenya, called the Diani Childrens Village. The kids there have no family at all, and live in, well . . . a hovel. Do they need prayers and bibles, or do they need love, money, food, clothes and education?

Atheism is a state of rational mind. Theism is a state of irrational mind.

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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
-Galileo Galilei

Biff the unclean

No, no, no, no, no...I wouldn't dream of it. I defer to your expertise.