winstonjen

This post by Magus sums up his 'morality', or at least that of his religion, or lack of it.

When asked by Philosoft - Magus replied:

Then, after saying this: and being asked this by Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ: He replied: In that thread are also many examples of argument by font size.

Edit: The thread is here

Mageth

So basically Magus considers us god's playthings or chattel to which he can (and does) do anything he damn well pleases? And expects us to worship such a beast?

Ever see the South Park episode where Cartman goes around dressed like a rebellious little girl saying "I can do what I want!"

Demigawd

Of course he does. He maintains this stance because he believes he's found the path to divine kid gloves and subsequent eternal reward, rather than the awful but righteous fate the rest of us face in his god's eternal microwave.

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Ever see the South Park episode where Cartman goes around dressed like a rebellious little girl saying "I can do what I want!"

Actually, it's "Whatever! I'll do what I want!" But I think a more appropriate set of episodes to demonstrate the ludicrous nature of Christianity is the dual episodes "Do Cripples Go To Hell?" and "Probably".

Mageth

You're right about the episodes. For some reason, though, that picture of Cartman flashed into my mind when I was thinking about Magus' conception of Killer Psycho God. I also thought about an ant-farm-keeping god using a magnifying glass to fry the little ants that didn't do just what he wanted.

Of course he does. He maintains this stance because he believes he's found the path to divine kid gloves, rather than the awful but righteous fate the rest of us face in his god's eternal microwave.

What's amazing is he takes this stance while still preaching the necessity and rightness of the free will his god supposedly gave us so that we wouldn't be "robots". The cognitive dissonance generated by such conflicting concepts is what drove me away from christianity.

Magus55

It doesn't have to happen to you either. You just let it because you are too full of yourself to believe there might be a higher power with sovereignty over you.

Mageth

Might makes right, eh, Magus?

Magus55

And no one that you would committ a crime against, to get that lifetime of punishment for each crime even equals a trillionth of God's magnitude.

How many times do I have to tell you - Hell is the absence of God. There is no force of good in Hell. What would you get if you took all the evil in this world, and threw it in one place? Do you think it would be pleasant? You want nothing to do with God - so Hell is the only place you can go - its a prison for souls. If God isn't there, where is anything but pain and torment gonna come from? You think Hell is bad? That should show you how important God is in our lives, whether you believe in Him or not - His good is what keeps this world from literally becoming Hell. If you pulled God away from the Earth - we would experience a lifetime of pain and torment - infinitely more so than we do now.

You don't want to be with God, cause you think He is a monster? Thats exactly what Hell is - a place without God - and everything of God goes with Him - including peace, happiness, and love.

Magus55

Nope, Sovereign, righteous, and perfect ruler over the whole Unvierse makes right.

Godless Dave

Then why did he make up 600+ ridiculous rules in the first place? And why did he create us in just such a way that breaking many of those rules would not only appeal to us, but wouldn't seem like anything wrong to us because they don't hurt anybody?

The god you believe in has set you up to fail. It's like putting a big piece of steak in front of a dog and then smacking him when he goes for it. Only in this case God created the dog to really, really, like steak before putting the steak in front of him.

The early Jews took older myths and turned them on their head, so the villain became the hero and the heroes became the villains. They wanted to create an authoritarian society where people did what they were told without question. It sure worked; you're playing into their game thousands of years later.

Demigawd

That drove me away from christianity as well, and I spent 18 years, from birth to moving out my parents' house, attending a rural Southern freewill baptist church, and honestly attempting to follow the fundamentalist dogma.

I have a suspicion that the root of christian fundamentalism for Magus55 is how exclusive it is for him and how special it makes him feel. He claims a Jewish heritage which makes a connection to the Old Testament more palatable. That's something myself, an admitted descendant of rural Southern rednecks, cannot fathom. The allure of being one of the supposed supreme being's "Chosen People" must be quite powerful.

Add to that Magus55 supposedly has, by virtue of becoming a christian, demonstrated more wisdom and holiness by accepting Jesus as his savior. That reconciles the OT with the New Testament. And it's a case of being an elite amongst the elite: a messianic Jew.

But I admit that's based upon textual reading and subsequent psychoanalysis on my part. I could very well be (and probably am) wrong. I wonder if Magus55 is capable of admitting the possibility of error in his own beliefs and interpretations.