Grad Student Humanist

Yeah, even the majority of liberals in this country are die-hard religionists/theists, at least the ones in public office who are making all of the decisions.

Of course, the American people are really the ones responsible for this situation. An openly atheist candidate stands no chance at winning a nationwide or even statewide election. Most Americans would prefer to elect a member of some religion, any religion, over a godless atheist since apparantly if you don't believe in God you're automatically unpatriotic and immoral by definition (although perhaps after 9/11 an atheist would win an election over a Muslim; unless said Muslim were a member of the Bush family and the Republicans annoint him for the Presidency before the primaries begin).

But there's not much atheists/agnostics can do but ally ourselves with people like Byrd since they help somewhat in keeping out the people like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. Think about it: if Byrd wasn't as conservative as he is West Virginians would have replaced him with a Republican by now; that and all of the pork he brings home which is what makes him such a good Senator

Grad Student Humanist

For some reason this is the scariest part of his diatribe, church/state issues aside. Oh well, whatever gets him through the day. Maybe now at age 85 meeting Gawd is all that he has to look forward to.

Hope Gawd is understanding about that whole KKK thing.

Grumpy

IIRC, the original lawsuit over Roy's wooden 10C plaque in his country courtroom was dropped. I don't know when this paragraph was written, but it's probably an accurate reference to that case.

fromtheright

Grumpy,

You may be right, but I believe that what happened, from the account in the opinion in this monument case, was that it was dismissed for lack of standing.

BTW, can anyone send a link to Appendix A of the monument opinion. I was able to open the other three but not "A". Thanks.

Krieger

And the majority of people in this country that are called "liberal" are right of center ideologically.

Most left-leaning people are either non-religious or they have very liberal religious views.

atheist_in_foxhole

Our "liberals" would be known as conservatives in Europe.

Our "conservatives" would be among Europe's banned fascist parties.

fromtheright

Our "conservatives" would be among Europe's banned fascist parties.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have read. Please tell me exactly which American conservative views would be banned by what European governments.

And are there examples of prominent American liberals who would be considered conservatives in Europe? For what particular views?

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RufusAtticus

Personally, I'd like to see some proof that american conservatives fall near the "facist" side of the political scale. They seem more monarchian and theocratic to me.

Monarchian because the rich act like nobility and expect the president to be the supreme leader of our nation, as explempified on the number of Republicans who ran on "I will do anything Bush asks me to."

Theocratic because their reliance on religion to influence and stir up the masses.

FTR,

British "conservatives" are very liberal by American standards. One conservative Republican was excited that he was going to meet the conservatives in England, but returned thinking they were worse than democrats.

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Krieger

I agree, but that makes them almost as bad as fascists anyway.

RufusAtticus

But it doesn't make them fascists. Calling republicans fascists is no different than calling democrats communists.