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Old 07-30-2003, 03:47 PM   #41
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Not necessarily true, but there is no substantial way of reasoning to rationally debate this issue. Good sense must be exercised.
But my good sense says it isn't the word of god. How does that square with you?
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It's the Christians that are supposed to do that: "Judge not lest ye be judged" and all; atheists are under no such necessary constraint and so are free to criticise putative divinities that fail to condemn atrocities such as slavery, regardless of the time period.
That makes them very good Christians then!
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That makes them very good Christians then!
That makes us good human beings. Being xian requires belief in christ and that we do not have.
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Old 07-30-2003, 04:12 PM   #44
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That makes us good human beings. Being xian requires belief in christ and that we do not have.
Indeed! Good human beings with an awful sense of humor...

Christians were against comedy and humor too but I guess that you already know the legends of bad christian monks and the lost book of Aristotle regarding comedy...
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But my good sense says it isn't the word of god. How does that square with you?
I would propose of the messages transmitted, they were subsequently adapted to human understanding.
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I would propose of the messages transmitted, they were subsequently adapted to human understanding.
So it is okay for someone to use the bible to support slavery? The bible is very clear that slavery is okay.
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In general, you are correct. However, in this case there is a legitimate reason for the criticism. Many (if not most) xians claim that there is an absolute morality, and that morality can be found in the Bible. That changes everything.
What Diotima argues is that to understand the texts we have to have a grip on the times. The problem is that "what was" is not necessarily "what is" with regards to morality. This forces those, as Wade notes, who wish to declare "the Bible" the source of "objective perfect morality" to "cherry pick" their way through the text, mistranslate as the RSV and other versions do, and generally misrepresent the texts.

It is a bit like someone claiming the play should be "Romeo and Julian" the great homoerotic expression of forbidden love . . . the problem is Shakespeare did not write that. Someone who "wants" that conclusion must torture the language of Shakespeare to do it.

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Apparently unable to support her argument elsewhere, she tries to spill it over here. Unfortunate. As you know, quite a few of us have questioned her deity and . . . still . . . we find the no other conclusions than those stated their.

Perhaps like "eastern practitioners" who believe the laws of physics depends upon your relative longitude and latitude, she thinks her failed arguments somehow work on another thread.

One can and should question any deity regarding an issue such as slavery as we would question those who supported it.

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The appeal to Dr. Rick. I wonder how Dr. Rick feels as an authority?

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Apparently unable to support her argument elsewhere, she tries to spill it over here. Unfortunate. As you know, quite a few of us have questioned her deity and . . . still . . . we find the no other conclusions than those stated their.

Perhaps like "eastern practitioners" who believe the laws of physics depends upon your relative longitude and latitude, she thinks her failed arguments somehow work on another thread.

One can and should question any deity regarding an issue such as slavery as we would question those who supported it.
Well I can only say I am greatly amused. To demonstrate this fact (ha ha). For all your efforts, I am starting to like you Docter X, as such you gain my affection.
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