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Amen-Moses · 01-28-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by comradeBillyboy

and the idf almost always regrets any loss of innocent life.

I've never heard 'emptying your magazine into the body just to make sure' described as 'regret' before.

Amen-Moses

Amen-Moses · 01-28-2005, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter

What would YOU do?

Firstly I would arrest all the illegal settlers and send them back to their countries of origin, then I would either revoke the "right of return" for one lot or instigate it for the other, whichever is easiest, then I would give back all the land I stole and tell everyone who wants to stay to do so behind the UN recognised borders. Lastly I'd emigrate to Australia.

Amen-Moses

Alter · 01-28-2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron

So let's hear you denounce right-wing orthodox Judaism.

Use both sides of the paper if necessary.

No problem there. The ultra-orthodox jews are sexist, often racist, and their culture is flawed. They do respect the sanctity of life (in most cases), and that is a plus. Also, in the US, most do not seek to impose their ways on others. But in Israel, they are a bunch of sanctimonious religious zealots, as bad as any fundamentalist sexist redneck in the US.

Alter · 01-28-2005, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron

1. Put up a fucking huge inpenetrable wall on the green line.

2. Stop issuing tax breaks that encourage Israelis to settle in areas that are both (a) dangerous and (b) destined to be returned to Arabs.

3. Round up the right-wing orthodox Jewish parties and activist groups and treat them the way they deserve to be treated: as terrorist groups intent on spoiling the chances of peace.

Not bad. You're pro-barrier, at least. It's not far from your POV to one where you also loop that wall around a few settlements, and you kick a few settlers out of the occupied territories. Sounds like Sharon's plan!

Alter · 01-28-2005, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Amen-Moses

Firstly I would arrest all the illegal settlers and send them back to their countries of origin, then I would either revoke the "right of return" for one lot or instigate it for the other, whichever is easiest, then I would give back all the land I stole and tell everyone who wants to stay to do so behind the UN recognised borders. Lastly I'd emigrate to Australia.

Amen-Moses

Emigrating to Australia is not an option, you're stuck in your home country.

Also, you can't arrest ALL illegal settlers. You're not talking about a few thousand people, there's about 200,000 people in cities as big as 30,000 inhabitants in the West Bank alone.

But kicking out all the small settlements is fair enough.

Also, how would you propose to control the borders of the neighboring state to prevent their importation of WMDs?

Amen-Moses · 01-28-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter

Also, how would you propose to control the borders of the neighboring state to prevent their importation of WMDs?

I don't, they can import whatever the fuck they want to, that's part and parcel of being a 'state'.

Anyhow I doubt that the US would sell them any. :Cheeky:

Amen-Moses

linox · 01-28-2005, 08:33 AM

sauron:

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Considering that the largest Jewish terrorist group is the IDF, your statement is pretty meaningless.

the only thing meaningless here is you sauron.
your delusions are getting worse.

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"As far as you know."

Well, I'm sure we can all sleep safely, assured of your expertise in such matters.

not going to argue with someone who suffer from Delusions of grandeur ( for example when you believe that you are very special or have special powers or abilities).
oh great sauron.

Phineas Flapdoodle · 01-28-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter

....

You know that no matter what you do, there will still be a core group seeking your destruction, and much money and governmental support from their ethnic brethren outside.

What would YOU do?

I'd duck.. no seriously now, that core group you're referring to are the Wahhabi followers, the Saudis and others throughout ME.

see:
http://www.sunna.info/antiwahabies/wahhabies/

REALITY: a quite large "core" that still wishes, prays, plans, funds, Israeli's demise, and the Saudi Wahabbis are the main culprits, IMO

HTH,
Phineas Flapdoodle Jr

Alter · 01-28-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Amen-Moses

I don't, they can import whatever the fuck they want to, that's part and parcel of being a 'state'.

Anyhow I doubt that the US would sell them any. :Cheeky:

Amen-Moses

No, it's NOT part and parcel of being a state. Just ask post-WWII Japan. They were a country, but they were expressly prohibited from being militarized.

And with all the other countries and Islamic groups that have sworn themselves to the destruction of Israel (or all Jewish people, or all Jews and Christians, or all kafirs everywhere including atheists), I'm sure that without border control there would be WMDs a few hundred yards from Israel within a year.

Dharma · 01-28-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron

Funny how the first sentence and the second sentence contradict each other. Or maybe, not so funny after all.

What's your religion, Dharma?

Because I'm sure a lot of people would love to subscribe to a religion that can simultaneously
(a) espouse extermination while also
(b) preaching intellect and "opening their hearts."

:rolling:

where'd you get your education,Sauron? Perhaps reading things in context has not become your habit yet?

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