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Old 02-28-2003, 01:06 PM   #101
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I prefer to be provoked into thinking more deeply about things by an honest presentation of the facts. Kicking kittens might stir me up more, but it doesn't help me get any closer to the truth.
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Old 02-28-2003, 02:03 PM   #102
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Alright... I'll elaborate on my comment.
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Young children have a natural curiousity about things... they pock their fingers in poop and eat their boogers... and do various other things without the thought that it's "gross."
I am not particularly familiar with the developmental stages of childhood, but I presume this generalization like all generalizations is rife with exceptions.
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As they get older they develope some feeling towards what is distrubing, repulsive, and gross. Young girls, in an attempt to sound dainty and dignified, go to extremes to avoid anything that looks or smells unpleasant. Some adults never get past this stage in life... and cannot even stand to look at their own fetal matter.
I'm sure there are such people, but if I read your sarcasm correctly, your aim is to equate the picture of a bloody swollen fetus with the open wound to an icky poopie and that is reductionist at best.
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However... the more intelligent and curious and mature group of us begin to break down this facade of dignity. We stop yelling "grrroooossss" when we see road kill... and we can handle watching graphic movies... or seeing things on the news. We can go with our brother or sister to the doctor and hold their hand as they get their blood drawn without straining our necks to look away. In short, we develope a maturity that lets us see, smell, and hear disturbing things without getting our panties in a knot. You apparently have not developed this maturity yet... hence my advice to "grow up."
There are many intelligent, mature, curious people who react adversely to any number of things. Exposed internal organs and deformed fetuses could well engender a negative reaction in Archimedes himself. As I said earlier in this thread, the reasons for such reactions can range from a finicky venality to traumatic childhood events or even just a constitutional weakness of the stomach. Given your palpable ignorance of my character and personal history, your assumption that a lack of maturity is the root of my reaction is entirely without foundation.
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However, I could also say "regress! to age 3... when you still had that beautifully couragous curiousity about the world"
Or you could have asked for clarification before forcing me to pick my dainty way through your sewer of condescension.
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Old 02-28-2003, 02:24 PM   #103
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Ok fine... but I think that even if you do have some excuse for not being able to look at pictures of medical procedures... you could at least refrain from complaining incessantly... and certainly you could stop yourself from continuously berating someone when he/she posts such a picture.

I'm not particularly anti-abortion... I simply think people should have enough maturity and control over their emotions to look at a picture of a medical procedure.



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Old 02-28-2003, 02:29 PM   #104
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uh-oh......

*goes back to lurking, watches from a safe distance*
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Old 02-28-2003, 02:53 PM   #105
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...help yourself, christ-on-a-stick...the suspense is terrific...I hope it lasts.
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Old 02-28-2003, 04:00 PM   #106
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Ok fine... but I think that even if you do have some excuse for not being able to look at pictures of medical procedures... you could at least refrain from complaining incessantly... and certainly you could stop yourself from continuously berating someone when he/she posts such a picture.
I posted once requesting a warning. When my request was dismissed with a facility not dissimilar to your own, I posted a second time asking why. After that I posted a total of five times on 2 pages until your dulcet siren song lured me back onto these discursive shoals. My posts were neither incessant nor continuous. They were also not complaints or berating, but rather direct replies to aspersions cast on my motivations and clearly articulated explanations of why a warning was required in accordance with the established procedures of this forum.
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I'm not particularly anti-abortion... I simply think people should have enough maturity and control over their emotions to look at a picture of a medical procedure.
I appreciate your editing out the reference to my need for counseling as that kind of slur couched in concern is almost as nauseating to me as pictures of deformed fetuses being cut out of women’s uteri. Your stance on abortion is of no concern to me whatsoever. As for your persistent claim that maturity is the panacea for adverse reactions to such pictures, it is demeaning not only to myself, but also to the multiple other posters who were disconcerted. Should Terracotta, for instance, have to deploy her maturity and emotional control in the 7th month of pregnancy just because Amie (and you, apparently) think in utero surgery is either so neutral or so marvelous its pictures require no warning?

Now, since you seem to have developed an aversion to constant berating, in a nod to your sensibility I will refrain from further comment on the matter thereby allowing the discourse to hopefully scale the heights of MF&P instead of plumbing the depths of whatever fora you might be accustomed to frequenting.
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I simply think people should have enough maturity and control over their emotions to look at a picture of a medical procedure.
I don't think that's the issue. Some people simply are more sensitive than others about viewing such things. I don't see that that means they are necessarily less mature.

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Old 02-28-2003, 05:52 PM   #108
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plz fogive my finicky venality, but....

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There are many intelligent, mature, curious people who react adversely to any number of things.
yeah! your *garrulous* tongue should carry a health warning. (**long winded) In other words, I don't have all day to climb the stairs to reach your 'scaly heights'.

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Exposed internal organs and deformed fetuses could well engender a negative reaction in Archimedes himself.
what? the maths genius and creator of 'the iron hand'. never!! Here is what the Archimedes homepage has to say about him: " Died 212 or 211 BC in Syracuse when it was being sacked by a Roman army. He was killed by a Roman soldier who did not know who he was." whoops!

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As I said earlier in this thread, the reasons for such reactions can range from a finicky venality to traumatic childhood events or even just a constitutional weakness of the stomach.
I agree. Who cares how childish we are being. All the fun of the fair!

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Given your palpable ignorance of my character and personal history, your assumption that a lack of maturity is the root of my reaction is entirely without foundation.
my assumption is that you're pretty bored like me, and having a bit of fun. Given your extreme use of language, I'll add that people are generally perplexed (ie: ME) when you (try to) baffle them with sporadic vociferations.

Out of sheer curiosity, are you anally retentative? Do you still screw your face up when someone starts flicking 'poopy' & 'boogers'?
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Remember that you and I are registered nurses. We could talk about things over lunch that would make most people physically ill. Not everyone is like us. Maybe we are conditioned to see anything without it bothering us much. I think we should keep that in mind when posting graphic pictures. I don't think it should be compared to the fully clothed picture of Mother Teresa and smokin Jesus.

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I think Kally has a good point here... my husband is an RN as well and is utterly unfazed by blood and internal-organny stuff after working the OR for so long.

I, on the other hand, slipped in the shower the other day (bad flu) and cut my leg - the (relatively) small amount of blood from a thin cut made me feel positively ready-to-faint again.

Some things are "gross" in one way (toilet-humor type stuff) while other images that seem violent (despite surgery obviously not being violent, but the presence of blood and guts so to speak) can cause a wholly different visceral reaction in people.
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