id.s

[i][*Note*: this thread was split from the The most attractive part of a woman's body thread in ~~Elsewhere~~. pescifish]

Another example of a man objectifying women. Even the mods are part of this. The most beautiful part of a woman is that they have the strength to put up with all the abuse that a male dominated society can pile on them. Women are truly the stronger sex. Men would collapse under the weight of the demands and insults that women have and will have to endure at the minds of men . Male pride couldn't endure the indignity of being a second class citizen. Learn to appreciate women for their strengths, in spite of your male procreating inspired libido. The answer to your poll is .............................................why objectify and get real-
Stop it.!!!!!!!!!!!!

catalyst

Just because I happen to find one or more particular portions of a women's body attractive, so what? In no way is a person merely the sum total of their physical attriibutes.

If a woman has beautiful eyes, then she has eyes that I find beautiful. This is in no way objectiifying her, merely a statement about one small portion of her.

While you are at it, could you please complain in a similar manner about this thread:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=59733

id.s

What for. Men like to be objectified- its the way they think. You can't reverse discriminate an object that wants to be objectified.
Besides I adhere to the Bob Newhart school of psychology- when you find things that people are doing wrong- why beat around the bush- Just STOP IT!

catalyst

I do?

Thanks for letting me know.

Please state how what I have said with respect to finding something beatiful is in some way objectifying a woman?

id.s

Dig into this and analyze what you're saying. You are saying the sum of her parts that you perceive as BEAUTIFUL ( a perception you hold as relevant to her being) precedes her value as a member of the human race. She's there to gratify your needs as a man- to be candy for your judgmental eyes and perverted libido.
Sexual objectification- when a womans sexual parts are seperated from the rest of her personality and reduced to instruments, and made to represent her. This usually occurs when she doesn"t want it. The problem is, a womans identity is then defined by her attractiveness. Women are being made to see themselves the way men see them. This objectification degrades her self identification of her personhood with her body. So keep it up catalyst,add dissention and assumptions and stereotypes to the formula and really get a reaction going. You White American Societally Priveleged (21st century WASP) males have a lot of growing to do. Men think objectively and women think subjectively and not many on this site can disagree with the main difference between the sexes.

catalyst

Please show me where I have said this.

I did say this:
"In no way is a person merely the sum total of their physical attriibutes."

Note the fact that phyiscal attributes was termed 'mere' as in, far less than, what truly makes someone an individual.


What is wrong with finding someone physically attractive?

And what makes you think I am white? I am not.

And you have making numerous gross generalizations instead of supporting your arguments (assertions, really).

If I actually stop to define someone, it is more along the lines of personal interaction, and how I feel about them as a person, not their appearance, regardless of gender.

tronvillain

id.s:
Yes, I am sure women are so traumatized by men finding one particular piece of their anatomy especially attractive. Perhaps some of them would like to step forward to complain about how bad it makes them feel that I am aroused by women's asses? This has nothing to do with objectification: finding a specific part of women particularly attractive does not reduce women to the level of an object. It is not saying that " the sum of her parts that you perceive as BEAUTIFUL ( a perception you hold as relevant to her being) precedes her value as a member of the human race" or that "he's there to gratify your needs as a man- to be candy for your judgmental eyes and perverted libido." It is simply a statement about a specific preference.
Ah, but it is not clear that the key element of your argument "...and made to represent her" is at all present in this thread. While some men might look at a woman and just see pussy or tits or ass, simply liking tits or ass does not mean that someone is one of those men. I suspect you are simply a troll, but I will wait and see for a little while.

lhiuvme

, nor am I responsible for any woman image of herself.

No one said this, nor implied this. I do not choose to find a woman's breasts attractive, but I would be lying if I said that I was not aroused by a particular type of breast shape. It is "how I am wired". Can we (men) not talk about what physical aspects of women arouse us, without being likened to animals?

Being attracted to a mate is "real", because that is what happens every day in nature, including human nature. Your definition of "real" seems to be some imagined Utopia where a woman's strength and character somehow make them better mates for men. Your definition is off.

Being oppressed does not necessarily make anyone stronger than their oppressors.

We never had to before, but if we became "second class citizens" tomorrow, I feel we would learn to cope in order to survive.

Didn't you just say women were the stronger sex? Why are they letting men define how they see themselves? Be strong, women, and stop using this cop-out of the male-run media (etc.). Your self-image is yours alone, and only you can affect it. If you let the media affect your self-image, then you are doing just that, letting them!

I love women...I love their lips, breasts, and butts. I love their hair, big brown eyes, and the smalls of their backs. I love their laughter, conversation, and attention to detail. I love their intelligence, wit, and their ability to put up with my shortcomings. Not all women have these qualities, but surely I am allowed to express these thoughts without your condemnation.

lhiuvme

id.s

Yeah ,and I believe you. The beauty of the internet is no one knows who you are or how small you are.

This is what I responded to.
Originally posted by catalyst
I do?

Thanks for letting me know.

Please state how what I have said with respect to finding something beatiful is in some way objectifying a woman?
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I believe I answered your question on objectifying women. The reason I assumed you are white is because white male privilege has a sense of entitlement in which they feel justified in objectifying women ( I still believe that you are white).

People who are marginalized in some way by race, sex or ableism tend to be more sensitive to the impact their actions have on others. For instance, If I have experienced racism, then I am more aware of how racism affects me and others. If I am a woman, then I am more aware of how sexism or objecification affects my sisterhood. People who have racial or class privilege don't have this kind of self actualization. I have witnessed this many times on the infidels discussion forum.
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quote Catalyst
And you have making numerous gross generalizations instead of supporting your arguments (assertions, really).-( catalyst-about women-you aren't generalizing?)
If I actually stop to define someone, it is more along the lines of personal interaction, and how I feel about them as a person,-(ID.s-well say so then- action and words)- not their appearance, regardless of gender.
And I quote you- Jeebus on a pogo stick. Am I the only guy manly(prickly) enough here to say that I like a chick with a really great ass?
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No you are not. (theres more of you than I can beat off with a stick)

However, I find myself in something of a quandry. I can generally find SOMETHING(bully for you) to admire on any REASONABLY(bully for you) ATTRACTIVE( how does it feel being graded by a prick asshole) woman. Just because I happen to find one or more particular portions of a women's body attractive,(bully for you) so what( go have babys then and leave her)? In no way is a person merely the sum total of their physical attriibutes.-(So why is only physical attractiveness mentioned by you)
If a woman has beautiful eyes, then she has eyes that I find beautiful. This is in no way objectifying her, merely a statement about one small portion of her.( if your penis is small then maybe I should tell the world- Oh but its just a small portion of you)

While you are at it, could you please complain in a similar manner about this thread:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread....&threadid=59733

I answered-What for. Men like to be objectified- its the way they think. Icallit dinks for brains or all in all it was all just a prick in the hole.
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you the catalyst-
I do?

Thanks for letting me know.

Please state how what I have said with respect to finding something beatiful is in some way objectifying a woman?
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I said--Dig into this and analyze what you're saying. You are saying the sum of her parts that you perceive as BEAUTIFUL ( a perception you hold as relevant to her being) precedes her value as a member of the human race. She's there to gratify your needs as a man- to be candy for your judgmental eyes and perverted libido.
Sexual objectification- when a womans sexual parts are seperated from the rest of her personality and reduced to instruments, and made to represent her. This usually occurs when she doesn"t want it. The problem is, a womans identity is then defined by her attractiveness. Women are being made to see themselves the way men see them. This objectification degrades her self identification of her personhood with her body.

So what don't you understand about this?
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catalyst said

Please show me where I have said this.

I did say this:
"In no way is a person merely the sum total of their physical attributes."(where- on what thread?)

Note the fact that phyiscal attributes was termed 'mere' as in, far less than, what truly makes someone an individual. (as in "she's merely a woman so who cares")


What is wrong with finding someone physically attractive?

And what makes you think I am white? I am not.

And you have making numerous gross generalizations instead of supporting your arguments (assertions, really).

If I actually stop to define someone, it is more along the lines of personal interaction, and how I feel about them as a person, not their appearance, regardless of gender.


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I believe you are lying to stretch your own bigotry and biases to paint a picture of normalicy of your obvious objectifying of women. Take a close look at what you've said- If you were in a court of law you would have purgered yourself by now.

tronvillain

id.s
How amusing it is for someone to pretend "I do?" is actually "I do." Pathetic.
Your answer to his question on objectifying women made absolutely no sense, nor does your supposed justification for believing that he is white (essentially calling him a liar). I have never seen any evidence that someone marginalized by race is significantly more sensitive to the plight of someone "marginalized" by sex. Your own examples made no such argument: race/racism and sex/sexism, not race/sexism and sex/racism.
I am not sure what your complaints about what Catalyst is saying here really are. Granted, saying "I can generally find something to admire on any reasonable attractive woman" is somewhat of a tautology, since by definition someone you find subjectively "reasonably attractive" has something to admire. The comment "go have babys and then leave her" is completely uncalled for, and I think says more about you than about Catalyst. Presumably physical attractiveness is the only think mentioned because this is a thread about physical attractiveness, not what is attractive in general. Finally, comments about intimate portions of someone's anatomy (such as the penis or vagina) are completely different than comments about their visible anatomy (if your penis is small then maybe I should tell the world/if your pussy is loose then maybe I should tell the world and so on).
If that is true, perhaps women should try to be more like men, rather than asking men to be more like women. Of course, I do not think it is true: both men and women want to be found physically attractive, but both men and women want to be valued for their other attributes, though there are different degrees for each. A comment like "Nice ass!" by a girl to a guy will usually be better recieved then by a guy to a girl because women on average tend to be choosier than men, not because women do not want people to think they have a nice ass.
Translation: I am unable to actually demonstrate this, so I will simply assert it without any support whatsoever. Very nice.