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xeren · 10-03-2002, 12:41 PM

Ron Garrett, i think i love you.

Mad Kally · 10-03-2002, 12:46 PM

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posted by ManM:
While they might not deny God's existence, it will take a significant amount of humility for a strong atheist to be comfortable with being wrong all those years. Pride can lead to misery, even in the midst of paradise.

While they may not deny Santa's existence, it will take a significant amount of humility for a strong aSantaist to be comfortable with being wrong all those years. Pride can lead to misery, even in the midst of the winter wonderland at the North Pole.

K · 10-03-2002, 12:58 PM

Vanderzyden:

Many here have read and studied the Bible - often from a believer's point of view. But to show you what your argument means to a non-believer, I'll pose a question to you.

Have you really read and studied the Q'ran and the Bhagavad Gita with an open mind? If not, how can you reject them?

Vanderzyden · 10-03-2002, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Starboy:

Thanks Vander, my point exactly. Heaven is not a meritocracy. It is a place for god�s sycophants and toadies. Perhaps you qualify.

And how would you know that, Starboy? Is that your opinion?

Vanderzyden

Vanderzyden · 10-03-2002, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jamie_L:

We DENY God, based on conclusions we have honestly come to about God's world using the reasoning tools God gave us. We are not rejecting him. Why should we be punished for this?

If you genuinely deny God, then why are you concerned about punishment?

Vanderzyden

Vanderzyden · 10-03-2002, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by xeren:


V: Are you certain that you have accurate information concerning the characteristics of God?

X: If you mean the Christian god? Yes.

That is a very terse response, X. In wonder, upon what firm basis are you so conident?

Have you consider that your presuppositions did not hinder you in obtaining the truth?

Vanderzyden

Ron Garrett · 10-03-2002, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by xeren:
Ron Garrett, i think i love you.

But do you "wanna get psycho with me?"

daemon · 10-03-2002, 01:36 PM

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Vanderzyden: If you genuinely deny God, then why are you concerned about punishment?

Because there are people out there psychopathic enough to believe we deserve it.

K · 10-03-2002, 01:38 PM

Vanderzyden:

I don't think most people here are concerned at all about punishment. I think it's just being used to show that a just and benevolent God and the doctrine of Hell are incompatible. It's basically being offered as another example of the inconsistencies that make it impossible for us to believe in the Christian God.

RJS:

I, and I believe others, make reference to God only for the sake of argument. I would also make references to Santa Clause if I were pointing out why his existence was impossible to believe.

Ron Garrett · 10-03-2002, 01:38 PM

C'mpn Vandy, entertain us. Do the one about how Juda's suicide by hanging and suicide by throwing himself off a cliff to burst on the rocks below is really the same account. That's my favoite.

[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Ron Garrett ]

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Ron Garrett Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: United States Posts: 1,657	C'mpn Vandy, entertain us. Do the one about how Juda's suicide by hanging and suicide by throwing himself off a cliff to burst on the rocks below is really the same account. That's my favoite. [ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Ron Garrett ]</p>

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xeren Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Place Posts: 285	Ron Garrett, i think i love you.

10-03-2002, 12:58 PM	#103
K Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,485	Vanderzyden: Many here have read and studied the Bible - often from a believer's point of view. But to show you what your argument means to a non-believer, I'll pose a question to you. Have you really read and studied the Q'ran and the Bhagavad Gita with an open mind? If not, how can you reject them?

10-03-2002, 01:38 PM	#109
K Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,485	Vanderzyden: I don't think most people here are concerned at all about punishment. I think it's just being used to show that a just and benevolent God and the doctrine of Hell are incompatible. It's basically being offered as another example of the inconsistencies that make it impossible for us to believe in the Christian God. RJS: I, and I believe others, make reference to God only for the sake of argument. I would also make references to Santa Clause if I were pointing out why his existence was impossible to believe.

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