dk

Originally posted by Treacle Worshipper
[B]dk, I have taken out my facetious comments in the hope that it will persuade you to respond to me. I look forward to hearing from you when you have the time. TW.

dk: You need to make some kind of response, not just ask questions I've already addressed, and deny gay culture exists. Sorry.

dk

That's cute, I'll take that as a statement of dogma.

Jinto

If those were my actual beliefs, then I would ask you to do the world a favor and shoot me. But, since those AREN'T my real beliefs, can you figure out any other reason why I might have made that post? C'mon, it's not hard to figure out.

Treacle Worshipper

Originally posted by dk
dk: You need to make some kind of response, not just ask questions I've already addressed, and deny gay culture exists. Sorry.
OK...
I find it impossible to debate with someone who refuses to define their terms.
You have yet to indicate clearly what you mean by "mess with kids".
You have yet to indicate clearly what you mean by "gay culture". I have not denied that it exists, merely stated that I do not know what is meant by the term, and pointed out that I cannot find it in any dictionary that is easily accessible to me.
Sorry.
TW

dk

Read the thread, I've already addressed the issue. Here's serveral articles about a brand new Museum just opened in NYC about gay culture. Are don't appear to be a moron, so why do you act like one?

Maybe I'm being harsh, but I've answere all the above questions in previous posts. I assume you can do a google search as well as I. This thread has developed, painfully over several days, and its not productive for me, you or anyone else to recycle old questons. You need to present some kind of reasonable response, or present some evidence to support your opinion on gay marriage.
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ABCNEWS.com : New Museum Celebrates NYC as Sex Capital
... Openly gay culture. Mae West. ... It was called 'Sodom on the Hudson'; that was the name
for New York City," says Daniel Gluck, the museum's director and founder. ...
abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ museumofsex020930.html - 47k - Apr 5, 2003 - Cached - Similar pages

Guardian Unlimited Travel | Culture | All in the best possible ...
... Culture All in the best possible taste If you've ... groovy NY acronym - 'Mosex' - but
founder Daniel Gluck boasts an ... sexual subcultures such as the gay disco scene ...
travel.guardian.co.uk/activities/culture/ story/0,7447,891799,00.html - 45k - Apr 5, 2003 - Cached - Similar pages

Wired News: Mo' Better Exhibitions at MoSex
... Just look at her," Daniel Gluck says ... police activities, such as raids on gay bathhouses
and ... a very interesting dynamic between mainstream culture and subculture ...
www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,55562,00.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Pravda.RU Sex Ed Enshrined in Museum with Lofty Mission
... videos of the fetishist trades, displays of 19th-century gay resorts in ... That's Daniel
Gluck's pedigree ... The poison has seeped so far into the culture that a few ...
english.pravda.ru/columnists/2002/12/03/40295.html - 69k - Cached - Similar pages

museumofse[x]information: staff
... Daniel Gluck is the founder of The Museum of Sex. ... human sexuality and its relation
to identity and culture. ... a HIV/AIDS community educator with Gay Men's Health ...
www.museumofsex.com/information/about/staff.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages

Treacle Worshipper

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dk
Are don't appear to be a moron, so why do you act like one?
You don't appear to be a moron, why do you spell like one? (See, two can play at this game ) Fun, isn't it?

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...sex020930.html
Is about a Museum of Sex in New York, and there is nothing at all in the article pertaining to gay men, altho' lesbian and trans people are mentioned.
There have been museums of sex in Europe for years, and, as this one appears to be, they are mainly concerned with straight sex.

http://www.travel.guardian.co.uk/act...891799,00.html
Is a brief overview of the NY museum, which does mention it has some exhibits on gay sex, but says it's "hoping [...] to be a 'serious sex museum'. More for chin-strokers than the pocket billiards brigade." This seems to indicate that they're not just there to show porn, but to study sex through the ages.
It follows with a survey of sex museums round the world. I've even been to this one (when I was an 18-year-old virgin, if that makes a difference to you):
http://www.museum-erotica.dk/
It was rather boring, lots of illustrated Kama Sutra & comments along the lines of "That can't be possible!"

www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,55562,00.html
Same NY Museum, mention of exhibit about "police activities, such as raids on gay bathhouses" is only gay content.

http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/.../03/40295.html
A very negative article about the above-mentioned museum, with again only one brief mention of gays: "displays of 19th-century gay resorts in the Bowery". It's written by the redoubtable Laura Schlessinger, which I'm afraid lowers its credibility with me. She's a woman with a mission, that one.

http://www.museumofsex.com/information/about/staff.html
And last, but definitely not least, info on the staff of the NY museum. And, shock, horror, one of them, (a female, presumably, with a name like Jessica Davis) "volunteers as a HIV/AIDS community educator with Gay Men's Health Crisis".

When I googled for "gay culture" (and thanks for reminding me of the existence of google, I'd completely forgotten about it), these are the first 10 links I got:

http://community.middlebury.edu/~moss/RGC.html
http://community.middlebury.edu/~moss/EEGC.html
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/libraries/events/sw25/
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/eres...ibitions/sw25/
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/a...1059_brief.php
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/culture/
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=26940
http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/99/49/books-mccartney.php
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...535732-6876922
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/4130/

With the exception of the qrd, they all seem to be academic studies/historical sites or newspaper articles/books. Hardly horrendously pornographic, but obviously there is a gay (LBT) culture out there, so now I can find out about it. Yay!

You need to present some kind of reasonable response, or present some evidence to support your opinion on gay marriage.
My opinion on gay marriage is that two consenting adults enjoying each other's company (and I use that term in the broadest possible sense) in their own home are not trespassing on anyone else's rights or sensibilities, and if they wish to formalise their partnership there is no good reason to prevent them from doing so.
Please note, this has nothing to do with children or disease or pornography or the gay culture. It is about two people who want to legalise their commitment to each other.
TW

dk

Hi TW,
This post gives me something from which to formulate my own response. Hey, I don’t expect you to agree with me, that wasn’t my complaint.
dk

tw:
There have been museums of sex in Europe for years, and, as this one appears to be, they are mainly concerned with straight sex.
dk: I have no idea, am I supposed to take this as gospel. If there are sex museums in Europe then you need to provide some information about them, else I can’t possible respond. .
tw:
http://www.travel.guardian.co.uk/ac...,891799,00.html
Is a brief overview of the NY museum, which does mention it has some exhibits on gay sex, but says it's "hoping [...] to be a 'serious sex museum'. More for chin-strokers than the pocket billiards brigade." This seems to indicate that they're not just there to show porn, but to study sex through the ages.
It follows with a survey of sex museums round the world. I've even been to this one (when I was an 18-year-old virgin, if that makes a difference to you):
dk: I’m not going to argue about the gayness of Daniel Gluck, his curator Grady Turner or the museum. I made my point. This is an example of Gay Culture, and demonstrates their values are laden with promiscuity and pornographic landscapes. End of Story. If you want to respond then go out and find some gay spokesperson or writer that disputes the facts.

TW: When I googled for "gay culture" (and thanks for reminding me of the existence of google, I'd completely forgotten about it), these are the first 10 links I got:
http://community.middlebury.edu/~moss/RGC.html ; http://community.middlebury.edu/~moss/EEGC.html ; http://www.columbia.edu/cu/libraries/events/sw25/ ; http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/ere...hibitions/sw25/ ; http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/...21059_brief.php ; http://www.qrd.org/qrd/culture/ ; http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=26940 ; http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/99/49/books-mccartney.php ; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...8535732-6876922 ; http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/4130/ ;
With the exception of the qrd, they all seem to be academic studies/historical sites or newspaper articles/books. Hardly horrendously pornographic, but obviously there is a gay (LBT) culture out there, so now I can find out about it. Yay!
dk: All you’ve demonstrated was that many universities are proponents of gay culture. That’s been one of my accusations, that the gay leadership employs education to reach out and touch children. If I didn’t know better I’d say you were on my side in this argument.

dk: You need to present some kind of reasonable response, or present some evidence to support your opinion on gay marriage.
TW: My opinion on gay marriage is that two consenting adults enjoying each other's company (and I use that term in the broadest possible sense) in their own home are not trespassing on anyone else's rights or sensibilities, and if they wish to formalise their partnership there is no good reason to prevent them from doing so.
Please note, this has nothing to do with children or disease or pornography or the gay culture. It is about two people who want to legalise their commitment to each other.
TW
dk: I’m glad to hear your opinion on gay marriage, but in the US gay marriage doesn’t exist. As I’ve already detailed the cascading affects upon the family in the US will involve children, husbands and wives. If you wish to support your opinion then you need to address the important issues. Now if you are going to retort, gays an lesbians can’t have kids, then I will reiterate that’s why gays and lesbians are interested in the kids of other people. Don’t mess with kids.

Kimpatsu

Giving his muddling of "liberty" and "licence", I think he needs to buy a better dictionary.

enrious

I can't believe I just read a four page slippery slope argument.

Nostalgic Pushhead

I read it all at once, too. I feel dirty.

Actually, I skimmed most of the last page, as the "argument" got borring fast.