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KnightWhoSaysNi · 08-04-2002, 07:08 PM

I got some more talk.origin feedback goodies from the <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/jul02.html" target="_blank">July feedback</a>.

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I'm a member of Answers in Genesis, which is one of the biggest creation organisation in the world and it makes them sick when people suggest that they believe that the earth is flat. I don't think that your doing the creationist movement any good and I'm suspecting that your really just a bunch of athiests that are posing as creationists to turn people away from it.

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Just read your write up on Kent Hovind, which left me absolutely amazed. Here is this guy speaking on Creation Science who doesn't even have a legitimate degree from an "accredited" university and he is kicking the butts of evolutionary theorists all over North America. What does that say?

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

...and for the biggest evolutionist stumper question of the month!....

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In the bible, Eve is made from Adam's rib....and now females have one more rib than males? Is this the same for apes and monkeys???

Camaban · 08-05-2002, 01:21 AM

It's official

I'm depressed

I am now converting to last-thursdayism so I don't have to admit to myself that I'm related to these people.

nogods4me · 08-05-2002, 04:42 AM

Oh, Oh, Oh NOOO! this is not they way I wanted to start off the week. *sigh* how do these maroons even figure out how to use a computer? Damn Microsoft and user-friendly Macs if it were still a DOS world these dummies would be stuck at the C:\> prompt forever.

tgamble · 08-05-2002, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by nogods4me:
Oh, Oh, Oh NOOO! this is not they way I wanted to start off the week. *sigh* how do these maroons even figure out how to use a computer? Damn Microsoft and user-friendly Macs if it were still a DOS world these dummies would be stuck at the C:\> prompt forever.

Maybe they are MAC users.

pz · 08-05-2002, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by tgamble:

Maybe they are MAC users.

I suspect not. Actually, several of the regular respondents are either Mac users, or favor Unix systems of some flavor.

Oh, and the terminal prompt I usually see is something like "[pharyngula.org:~] pzmyers% ".

GeoTheo · 08-05-2002, 11:14 AM

I think what is seen here are people responding on an emotional level, to the implications of evolution to somthing they hold dear: Their religious Faith. I don't think it is funny at all.
If you atheists don't enjoy being hated by large portions of the population, I think you may consider trying to be sensitive to other peoples religious beliefs.
I think certian atheists, who like to use evolution as a weapon to attack religion are partially responsible for this type of sentiment.
These people may be ignorant of Science but they are very sure of another thing in their lives that is more important to them and they will not give that up. I think the idea that there is a conflict between science an religion is the fault of scientific establishment.

scigirl · 08-05-2002, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo:
These people may be ignorant of Science but they are very sure of another thing in their lives that is more important to them and they will not give that up.

And that is why I don't find this debate/controversy funny at all. In fact, I find that aspect of religion downright frightening.

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I think the idea that there is a conflict between science an religion is the fault of scientific establishment.

So it's scientists' faults that people still think that women have one more rib then men? How so? What exactly should these "scientists" do to remedy the situation? Perhaps. . . by maintaining a web site about the controversy? Or maybe. . . organizing to fight the YEC agenda to eliminate science from schools?

Yet when scientists do things like this, they are accused of attacking religion. So what exactly are we supposed to do Geo?

You are right, we shouldn't make fun of creationist statements like the ones nightshade posted. They unfortunately speak volumes all by themselves about the danger of mixing ignorance with righteous arrogance.

scigirl

nogods4me · 08-05-2002, 12:18 PM

scigirl:
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It is indeed scary. and Geo in some instances science and religion are not compatible. They are in disagreement about the age of the earth, for example. What should we do, apologize for the evidence?

GeoTheo · 08-05-2002, 12:32 PM

To be Fair I hold religious leaders responsible as well, for not examining the issues enough (unlike the Pope) but people like Dawkins and Dennett who think that evolution is a weapon to attack belief in God are just as responsible.
I also think that idea has sympathy among some people here as well. The idea that proof for evolution equals proof there is no God.
That is a good formula for picking a big fight.
As a biological scientist, you find it frightening that many people are ignorant of biological science?
Is that a bit self serving of you?
How does this sound:
As a stamp collector, I find peoples ignorance of stamps frightening!
As a music historian, I find peoples ignorance of music history frightening!
As an English teacher, I find peoples ignorance of grammar frightening!
The average IQ is 100.
That may scare you, but that is reality. Most people are ignorant of a lot of things and generally more informed on others depending on the person. Lack of a belief in God does not make one any smarter.
It might make your opinions in academia more popular however, because among that crowd belief in God is considered to be somthing that is abandoned with a good education.

GeoTheo · 08-05-2002, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by nogods4me:
scigirl:
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It is indeed scary. and Geo in some instances science and religion are not compatible. They are in disagreement about the age of the earth, for example. What should we do, apologize for the evidence?

What is "religion's" official belief as to the age of the Earth?

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08-05-2002, 01:21 AM	#12
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	It's official I'm depressed I am now converting to last-thursdayism so I don't have to admit to myself that I'm related to these people.

08-05-2002, 04:42 AM	#13
nogods4me Contributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 17,432	Oh, Oh, Oh NOOO! this is not they way I wanted to start off the week. sigh how do these maroons even figure out how to use a computer? Damn Microsoft and user-friendly Macs if it were still a DOS world these dummies would be stuck at the C:\> prompt forever.

08-05-2002, 11:14 AM	#16
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	I think what is seen here are people responding on an emotional level, to the implications of evolution to somthing they hold dear: Their religious Faith. I don't think it is funny at all. If you atheists don't enjoy being hated by large portions of the population, I think you may consider trying to be sensitive to other peoples religious beliefs. I think certian atheists, who like to use evolution as a weapon to attack religion are partially responsible for this type of sentiment. These people may be ignorant of Science but they are very sure of another thing in their lives that is more important to them and they will not give that up. I think the idea that there is a conflict between science an religion is the fault of scientific establishment.

08-05-2002, 12:18 PM	#18
nogods4me Contributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 17,432	scigirl: <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> It is indeed scary. and Geo in some instances science and religion are not compatible. They are in disagreement about the age of the earth, for example. What should we do, apologize for the evidence?

08-05-2002, 12:32 PM	#19
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	To be Fair I hold religious leaders responsible as well, for not examining the issues enough (unlike the Pope) but people like Dawkins and Dennett who think that evolution is a weapon to attack belief in God are just as responsible. I also think that idea has sympathy among some people here as well. The idea that proof for evolution equals proof there is no God. That is a good formula for picking a big fight. As a biological scientist, you find it frightening that many people are ignorant of biological science? Is that a bit self serving of you? How does this sound: As a stamp collector, I find peoples ignorance of stamps frightening! As a music historian, I find peoples ignorance of music history frightening! As an English teacher, I find peoples ignorance of grammar frightening! The average IQ is 100. That may scare you, but that is reality. Most people are ignorant of a lot of things and generally more informed on others depending on the person. Lack of a belief in God does not make one any smarter. It might make your opinions in academia more popular however, because among that crowd belief in God is considered to be somthing that is abandoned with a good education.

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