Daleth

Is it a good one?

I've never heard you call your beliefs "Biblically moral". You use the word traditional.

I am a pretty tough cookie. Doesn't matter in the least whether they bothered me. They were inappropriate and were used to shut down conversation rather than promote it.

yguy

In this case, yes, IMO. As evidence I cite the fact that Fr. Andrew is being held to account for his execrable thesis, even by people who think I'm an idiot. What could be bad about that?

There is consierable overlap between the two.

I had every intention of shutting down that line of discussion. It was going nowhere.

Groovy Cosmic Monkey

Alright, I'd be glad to. I see nothing wrong with homosexual relationships but do not support paedophilia.

I also disagree that the "force" behind homosexuality is the same force behind paedophilia, at least the force I use. In my view, a sexual relationship based on mutual love, consent, no exploitation, commitment, etc., is acceptable. Homosexual relationships have the capacity to fulfill these criteria; paeophilic (is that a word?) relationships almost always would not, in my opinion. Underage people would rarely understand sexuality and relationships properly enough, nor would they understand love, intimacy, etc., to be capable of entering into an acceptable sexual relationship with a person significantly older than them, in my opinion.

As such, I see no contradiction between my opinion on homosexuality and my opinion on paedophilia, and any link drawn between the two is grossly inaccurate and downright offensive.

Amen-Moses

How does one learn these things? (assuming of course that they have to learned)

Or more precisely how does one transitioning from "underaged" to "aged" gain this understanding sans experience?

From what I recall of my teens it was a period of extreme frustration at having all the physical drives of an adult yet being treated as a child by everyone around me. I hated being told "you're not old enough" without any explanation as to how aging had anything to do with turning the urges I had from being "wrong" to being "right".

I think that experience is what I am trying to avoid happening for my children. (but it is bloody difficult so I can understand why many parents just avoid the issue altogether)

I think a counter example might help, a friend of mine happened to be from a different culture and his parents were divorced. He lived most of the year with his father in London and spent the holidays with his mother in Greece. When he reached puberty (about 12) his mother sent a Greek cousin over to stay with him as a sort of au-pair, she was about 17. Her job was to teach him about sex and although it was totally illegal under UK law that was the way of his culture so they just ignored the law.

He always seemed to me much more level headed and "grown up" than his peers and didn't suffer any harm from the experience, of course we were all as jealous as anything of his "good luck" at being born into a different culture than us.

All my cousin ever did for me was kick me in the nuts "just to see if it really hurt" as she put it.

Amen-Moses

The Other Michael

yguy, let me remind you of this tidbit from the MF&P forum rules:

"MF&P is a place to discuss provocative (exciting or stimulating) concepts, not a place where people should be trying to provoke (inciting to anger) other users."

So yes, around here it is a bad thing, and I have little doubt that you are well aware of that.

Back off.

Michael
MF&P Moderator (Maximus)

Bree

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

TomboyMom

Most pedophiles are men.
Yguy is a man.
Therefore Yguy is a pedophile.

yguy

While the last two posters may not be supporters of pedophilia, they are evidently supporters of the intellectually dishonest practice of distorting an opponent's statements so as to be able to refute the distortions as if they are refuting what their opponent actually said.

It is also interesting to note that neither shows nearly as much indignation towards an apologist for pedophilia as they do towards the idea that they may be unwittingly aiding such people by their silence. Not a good sign.

keyser_soze

Actually what they did was identical to what you are doing. You see a parallel, which is nonexistant(according to the data, and common sense). You are doing exactly the same thing, and I'm surprised the irony has escaped you, since it's pretty blatant.

yguy

Balderdash. I haven't distorted their positions in the least. On the other hand, practically no one here gives a second thought to distorting mine, while mostly being oh so circumspect in their efforts to give Fr. Andrew the benefit of doubt he doesn't deserve.

That I see a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality is entirely tangential to the subject of the thread. The easiest way for people like Bree and TomboyMom to take the wind out of my sails would be to hold Fr. Andrew's feet to the fire. So far, they somehow find it more advantageous to focus on my perceived bigotry, when it is people like Fr. Andrew who are their real enemy.