Witt

Witt: Nor do I see a difference, (analytic, necessary, apriori, etc.) all mean the same thing...tautologous truth.

Dominus Paradoxum: No, it does't. Just how is it that you suppose tautologies to be true? And how, for example, can p v ~p be tautolgously true if it is possible to formulate logics without it?

All truth, for me, is systematic.
There is no truth that is not verified by some paricular system of decision.

Whether a given expression is a tautology or not, is dependent on the method of decision used.

In a 3-valued logic: p v ~p is not tautologous.

The relativity of truth is: true relative to some particular system.

Neither: truth relative to personal mind (subjectively), nor absolute truth, exist.

Witt

John Page

A mind is a system therefore truth is relative to a mind.

True or False? If True then then my mind agrees with yours. If False then we have intersubjective disagreement because truth is relative to our individual minds. Either way, the claim is true.

Cheers, John

John Page

"Logical" and "Factual" are not mutually exclusive so:

T&t
T&f
F&t
F&f

Forexample, can something be factually true but logically false (the last line above)? I think so, depends on how they are both determined.

Seems to me you might have a foundation here for an exposition of all systems of logic. A yardstick could be difficult to create since there is no absolute truth. Perhaps a system, called say Meta-logic, could be used to map truth functionality across all possible logic systems - but then it would have to have its own axioms. Hmmmmm. Perhaps better to call it a POVmapper (Point of View Mapper) as a tool rather than invent another logical or philosophical "system".

Perhaps Nihilism could be represented as ~E(x).
Relativism could be represented by T1 = T2 v F2
Determinism could be represented by if T1 then T2

The POVmapper would then plot the determination of key propositions by all the systems such that, given an infinite number of possible logic systems Nihilism could be absolutely true or absolutely false.

Just random thoughts.

Cheers, John

Witt

Witt :
.....The relativity of truth is: true relative to some particular system.
....neither truth relative to personal mind (subjectively), nor absolute truth, exist.

John: A mind is a system therefore truth is relative to a mind.

Most definitely, all abstract objects and concepts, including truth, are dependent on mind.
Without minds there are no: languages, truths, sets, numbers, etc.

All abstract concepts-objects exist only within the duration of the existence of minds.

There are no eternal truths in any possible world, imo.

Witt