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Philosoft · 02-26-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55

There is no contradiction - God created non-physical light in the first few verses and verse 14-16 is him making the Sun, moon, and stars to physically show day and night.

Makes perfect sense to me, don't see why you are having such a difficult time.

Perfect sense? You're putting us on. Have you any idea what information, if any, is contained in the phrase "non-physical light"?

Magus55 · 02-26-2003, 03:30 PM

We are discussing God, not physical matter. How do you think Heaven is lit? Not by the Sun - God's own holiness emits light.

Since you don't believe in God, this is moot anyway, but just assume he exists for sake of creation and he is omnipotent - he can do what ever the heck he wants. Including things that defy logic - Non-physical light, as in spiritual light, that which doesn't contain matter. God's omnipotence isn't a hard concept. He can do anything that doesn't defy his own nature.

MyKell · 02-26-2003, 03:33 PM

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The insults aren't necessary. If you can't discuss the conversation then don't reply

Well I'm afraid that it is not me who cannot discuss the conversation. We've been all bringing you modern scientific evidence and all you have been doing is citing some 4000 year old mythology. And yes, what is up with that non-physical light. Besides, in my version of the bible, the earth is there before your non-physical light comes into the picture.

Magus55 · 02-26-2003, 03:37 PM

scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes?

MyKell · 02-26-2003, 03:38 PM

This is just getting hilarious. Now we don't just have non-physical light, it's also lighting "heaven."
Praise the Lord!

MyKell · 02-26-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes?

Sure some people make mistakes. But when a theory has been tested several times by people all accross the world then it's almost certainly believable. Actually, most scientific theories that reache us have been tested before.
Now regarding your theories, they don't make any predictions. That's the initial claim they have. "God is non-physical" and cannot be observed, let alone be tested

So why should anyone take the story of Genesis as fact compared to all the testible theories we have? Give me one reason.

Paul2 · 02-26-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
The insults aren't necessary. If you can't discuss the conversation then don't reply.

the conversation stopped a long time ago when you stopped reading the replies.

Mageth · 02-26-2003, 05:57 PM

he can do what ever the heck he wants. Including things that defy logic

OK. When you come up with a square circle, a true falsehood, or a proof that 1+1=3 that god's produced, get back to us.

Tim Thompson · 02-26-2003, 06:04 PM

Magus55: scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes?

Actually, no I don't believe that physicists make lots of mistakes. Some mistakes, sure but not lots (feel free to point out specific mistakes).

But what I really want to know is, what about that guy Magus55? Does he make lots of mistakes? Or maybe he only makes a few mistakes? Or maybe he never makes any mistakes? What's the deal?

Autonemesis · 02-26-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
He created Light on the first day. But it didn't come from physical sources, it came from him - God said Let there be light - and light exists, no sun or moon was made yet.

What is non-physical light? How do you distinguish it from physical light? Is it possible, if not in practice then at least in principle, to build a device that can discriminate between physical and non-physical light? If not, why not? If so, how?

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On day 4, God created the stars, the sun and the moon. Hence what the reference to them being signs and seasons, days and years are.

But you are leaving part of it out. Gen 1:17-18 says God set them in the firmament of the heaven. Why?

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17 God set them in the firmament of the heaven

to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night,
and to divide the light from the darkness:

and God saw that it was good.

Three things God accomplished by placing them in the firmament, and one of them was to divide the light from the darkness. But God already did that on day 1. Speaking of which, how can there be days before a Sun or an Earth existed? A day is one revolution of the Earth, or as the ancients saw it one crossing of the Sun across the sky. No Earth, no Sun, no possibility of a day.

And you still haven't told me who was taking dictation from God on day 1, and what were they writing on. I am really anxious to hear the answer to that one.

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Makes perfect sense to me, don't see why you are having such a difficult time.

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02-26-2003, 03:30 PM	#62
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	We are discussing God, not physical matter. How do you think Heaven is lit? Not by the Sun - God's own holiness emits light. Since you don't believe in God, this is moot anyway, but just assume he exists for sake of creation and he is omnipotent - he can do what ever the heck he wants. Including things that defy logic - Non-physical light, as in spiritual light, that which doesn't contain matter. God's omnipotence isn't a hard concept. He can do anything that doesn't defy his own nature.

02-26-2003, 03:37 PM	#64
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes?

02-26-2003, 03:38 PM	#65
MyKell Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Amman, Jordan Posts: 258	This is just getting hilarious. Now we don't just have non-physical light, it's also lighting "heaven." Praise the Lord!

02-26-2003, 05:57 PM	#68
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	he can do what ever the heck he wants. Including things that defy logic OK. When you come up with a square circle, a true falsehood, or a proof that 1+1=3 that god's produced, get back to us.

02-26-2003, 06:04 PM	#69
Tim Thompson Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Pasadena, CA, USA Posts: 455	Magus55: scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes? Actually, no I don't believe that physicists make lots of mistakes. Some mistakes, sure but not lots (feel free to point out specific mistakes). But what I really want to know is, what about that guy Magus55? Does he make lots of mistakes? Or maybe he only makes a few mistakes? Or maybe he never makes any mistakes? What's the deal?

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