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Old 03-16-2003, 12:22 PM   #41
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Originally posted by blondegoddess
This is the official reply to my letter from my family:
(looks like I started a flood of controversy)


**The real reason why France is trying to block America**

The French claim they are fighting for peace and taking the

moral high ground by attempting to block support for

America's campaign to eliminate Saddam Hussein. That's a

pack of self-serving lies. The reality is that France has

been in bed with the genocidal Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein

for decades. As the New York Post reports:


"France has massive investments in Iraq (and has made a

fortune out of the U.N. oil-for-food program). Everyone

knows that it is worried that a successor regime might not

honor contracts made by Saddam."
Legitimate point.
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For decades France has been taking blood money from one of

the worst dictators on earth, and now they're guardians of

morality? I don't think so.
Didn't we grant most favored nation status to CHINA? Aren't they still murdering religious groups and political dissidents? Aren't they still illegally occupying Tibet?
Didn't we prop up Saddam Hussein, after it was known he used gas on Kurds?
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Paris is in fact a charter member of the "Axis of Weasel" and they don't care that their efforts may cause American men and women to die needlessly and put millions in the U.S. and throughout the
world at risk of a new wave of terrorist attacks, so long as they can protect their blood money.

Aren't our efforts likely to cause American men and women to die needlessly? Aren't our efforts likely to start a new wave of terrorist attacks the world over? Wasn't there a large story a while ago about terrorist leaders saying they'd step it up if we invaded?
And for the blood money: we just want in on it.
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**France's long "hate America" campaign
Whether it�s supporting terrorist-abetting Cuban dictator Fidel Castro or nosily denouncing U.S. capital punishment, France seldom passes up an opportunity to oppose America in the United Nations and elsewhere.
You want to know how many nations have embargoes against Cuba? Last I checked, it was just us. Looks like Britain is guilty of that too. Oh, and being against capital punishment too.
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The sad reality is that current French leaders envy and hate America for our power and wealth. While America has been prospering, France (along with much of Western Europe) remains deeply mired in economic stagnation created by a failed socialist economy and myopic leaders.
I guess it sucks being garaunteed paid maternity leave, livable unemployment benefits, etc. Of course, they also don't let the executives of corporations that are being investegated for massive consumer fraud write policy.
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France�s new �hate America� campaign is particularly despicable when considering the history of American aid to France.
Considering no such campaign exists, it's hard for it to be despicable. Oh, and what about the French helping us actually EXIST? If not for them, we'd still be under the British!
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When Germany threatened France during World War I, American doughboys came to the rescue.
This is false. We came in in the endgame--when both sides were almost exhausted. When we pushed for armistice, Germany's trenches had old men and children in them as "soldiers". It was likely to end soon before we showed up.
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Thirty years later, when France was conquered by Nazi Germany and her people enslaved, tens of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat their German conquerors and free France.
As did tens of thousands of French.
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After World War II, France was one of the largest beneficiaries of the U.S. Marshall Plan which saved the French from destitution and rebuilt their economy.
As was Germany--the largest recipient.

I still am failing to see a long-standing "hate America" campaign from this. They haven't done anything yet to hate us.
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Then, when the Soviet Union threatened Europe during the Cold War, for over 40 years the American nuclear shield again protected France from Soviet conquest.
Along with France's own nukes. And Britains.
Oh, and during the Cold War, the Soviets actually considered US more likely to invade their territory than vice versa!
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Again and again America has saved France from political annihilation and slavery.
Um, once. Oh, and...they gave us out political freedom 225 years ago.
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But instead of appreciation, again and again we have received sneering derision.
Which is what we've been giving them for the last 225 years. Remeber LaFayette? And the French navy? You know, the navy that blockaded the British in Charleston, forcing their surrender? You DON'T? How surprising, considering your other revisionist tendencies.
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When America went toe to toe with Castro during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the French said they would not stand with us.
Actually, it wasn't Castro that we went toe to toe with. It was Kruschev.

What's also interesting is that the Soviets put missiles in Cuba AFTER we put some in Turkey--which, if you've looked at a map, is right next door to the former USSR. To end the crisis, we quietly agreed to remove the missiles (which we did).
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When President Reagan bombed Khadafy�s Libya after it sponsored terrorism that killed American soldiers, the French refused to allow US bombers to cross its airspace.
Good for them. Considering that Reagan supported terrorists and genocidal maniacs because of political convience (a la Saddam, School of the Americas, Iran-Contra, etc), they had a good reason not to allow us to use their airspace.
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Today, as Chairman of the Pentagon�s Policy Advisory Board Richard Perle observes: "France is no longer the ally it once was. I have long thought that there were forces in France intent on reducing the American role in the world."
Given that our role has been to dominate and bully the rest of the world to our way of thinking, this is hardly surprising.
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�Beneath Contempt�
And it gets even worse. Even Left Coast Democrat Rep. Tom Lantos of California said he was "particularly disgusted by the blind intransigence and utter ingratitude" of the Axis of Weasel after it gave Saddam the green light to attack Turkey.
This is so full of crap it is hard to countenance. Saddam was not given the green light to attack Turkey--nothing in the least. France (along with Germany and Belgium) refused to station soldiers there. Incidentally, the Turkish people aren't terribly interested in a war with Iraq either, and their parliament is not in favor of us using their bases (which is why we were afraid of them being attacked).
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"If it were not for the heroic efforts of America's military, France, Germany and Belgium today would be Soviet socialist republics," Lantos noted. "The failure of these three states to honor their commitments is beneath contempt."
Heroic efforts? Like WHAT? Vietnam? He's also forgetting that France has had nukes for a long time. So France posed a threat to the USSR should it decide to invade.
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So fanatical is French President Jacques Chirac's jealousy and hatred of America that even his fellow Europeans are now expressing outrage at his implication that France would block now independent former Soviet satellites from joining the European Union because they are too "pro-American."
Considering that the EU is supposed to look out for Europe's interests, not the US's, this is hardly a surprise. It must also be noted that France has always been a wet blanket in EU affairs.
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"They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet," Chirac huffed, and went on to claim that those who support America were "childish and irresponsible."
Which is true--since America is being childish and irresponsible.
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But what can you expect from politicians from a country that virtually surrendered to the Wehrmacht without a fight, and then eagerly collaborated with Nazi Germany?
This is false to the core. The French DID fight--however, their forces were neither equiped nor prepared to fight the war. Their defense spending went into the Maginot Line--a defensive structure that was indeed impregnable, but it did not cover the Ardennes, nor did it cover Belgium--which is where Germany attacked from. This left the majority of their forces cut off and surrounded. Surrender was the only real option. Oh, and a bunch escaped to Britain at Dunkirk.

Having been conquered, the French no longer actually had their own government--it was put into place by the Germans, who looked for those willing to help them.

By the way, patriotic Americans like Henry Ford would have readily helped the Nazis had they entered the US. Ford and Hitler exchanged gifts regularly, and Ford mantained a plant in Germany during WWII (which was bombed. Later, the US government paid the Ford Motor Company 1 million in compensation).
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It�s no wonder that more and more Americans and others throughout the world are sick of France�s arrogance and cowardice, and there is a growing global movement to boycott French goods.
Growing GLOBAL movement? If the US is the world, then yes.

The US has a history of putting its nose where it doesn't belong--Vietnam, for instance. The French warned us not to go there as well--of course, we didn't listen. What about the Shah? And Hussein (when we propped his ass up)? And what about the Iran-Contra affair?
Afghanistan is still contested by the Taliban--the most conservative estimates are 15000 fighters still out there. Law and order exists only within Kabul--outside, the warlords are fighting each other constantly. We did not really change the situation there. Not that we care--we got what we wanted: a false sense of security and justice.
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Old 03-17-2003, 05:02 AM   #42
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I have decided to let it drop. I did tell them that it was my last message on the subject. I plan to stay true to what I said. My family is important to me and I do have respect for their feelings. I do not want to become a threat to them. If my family choses to privately mail me about this, then I will use some of the info posted in this thread to call them on their beliefs. Thank you very much for the wealth of information on this topic. I am surrounded by some of the brightest in this board....
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Old 03-17-2003, 06:18 AM   #43
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that WW-one tearjerker, young Friends: when BlackJack Pershing debarqued at France & said "Lafayette, we are here."
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