cpickett

Ahh, but the point of the thread was that you said you could debunk every contradiction in the SAB starting at Genesis 1. I've yet to see that happen.

braces_for_impact

Since when is this your criteria for truth? If it was, you'd be an atheist by now!

Magus55

I never said i could debunk every single one, at least not without a lot of studying.

Iv'e already explained Genesis 1 and 2. Just because you don't like the explanation, doesn't mean its wrong.

Here is another explanation about what I said.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c023.html

cpickett

I don't like or dislike your explanation, it's just the fact that it seems to be made up in the face of what is a true contradiction.

In the OP you are qupted as saying "I can start off right from the beginning of the contradictions section on Genesis and explain or refute their rediculous claims"

It seems to me that you did in fact claim you could.

In the link you posted, they post a verse, but then link to a version of the bible that does not have "HAD" in that verse. I've looked at NKJV,ASV,Douey Rhiems and they all say "planted a garden" not "had planted a garden". Besides that I'm not really referring to the order, while I believe it to be a contradiction, I am meaning that fact that according to Chapter 2, man was created on day 1 instead of day 6.

Magus55

No, man was not created on day 1 in Gen 2, Gen 2 is a summary of Gen 1. Its not gonna completely restate everything in detail that was said in Gen 1, because the purpose of Gen 2 was to emphasize specifically on the creation of humans.

cpickett

*sigh*, Let me start over, maybe I'm not explaining myself well...

ASV Bible Genesis Chapter 2:
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. 2:5 And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for Jehovah God had not caused it to rain upon the earth: and there was not a man to till the ground; 2:6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Here it says that in the day that God created the Heaven's and the earth, which according to Genesis Chapter 1 is the fist day. It states that God created man. Not on the sixth day as in Chap 1, but on the same day as he created the heavens and the earth, BEFORE plants and herbs.

Magus55

Again, its from Adam's perspective, He didn't know how many days God took to create. He was there, He saw the Heavens and the Earth and plants, and knew that God made him but He had no clue how long ago. So he said, in the day that God made [everything that He could see before Him], He created man [me(Adam)]. Its the brief history of creation from Adam's perspective, its not a contradiction so can we move on already? I can't put it many other ways to get you to understand. Its past tense, as Adam saw it, which is why animals come after Adam in Gen 2, because they weren't there when Adam was created, God brought the animals to Adam afterward to be named.

cpickett

Did you even read it? Or at least with an open mind? Or are you just spouting the traditional Christian answer to the problem?

So Adam's perspective is third person?

Magus55

Yes i did i read it, and I know exactly what you are saying, but its not a contradiction - Gen 2 is a brief summary of Gen 1, from Adam's prospective of how He saw things.

And what do you mean Adam's perspective is third person? Adam didn't write Genesis, Moses did, and God dictated it to him. It didn't say "In the day that God created the Heavens... and He created me" because that wouldn't make sense to future generations. Me was written specifically as man to make more sense.

Jack the Bodiless

Then it should be written from God's perspective.

Hence the contradiction.