Tricia

Don't have to worry about that.....

~Tricia

I'll be back sometime this weekend to answer in depth.

RufusAtticus

You're still in high school right?

Don't sell the world short before you learn about it.

-RvFvS

Oolon Colluphid

Hi Tricia!

Evolution has no god. It does not deny them, it simply sees them as superfluous. They are not needed to explain life. Lacking gods, it therefore does not require worship of, or service to, any gods. It doesn't stop you having as many as you like. Just don't try and sneak them into an explanation of the living world without a phenomenally good reason.

So you happily integrate into your life something for which there is no evidence, yet you deny things for which there is bountiful evidence but about which you know little. Is that not a poor use of your -- God-given, if you will -- intelligence and ability to think?

Why?

Ah, I see... You do know he's more full of shit than an unchanged nappy, right?

Error No.1. Nothing in science is ever proved. Proof is what you get in, for instance, maths, where you’re defining the world you’re working in at the start. With science, what the world is like is what we’re trying to find out. So we have to make do with degrees of certainty based on all the available evidence, and any more we can get. So scientific facts aren’t absolutely certain. They are however as certain as anything can be in the real world.

Error No.2. Evolution is being tested all the time. Since it underpins all biological sciences, it is used as a basic assumption in all biological thinking. If it were wrong, deductions based on it would not turn out as expected. By now we would have noticed. It makes numerous predictions that can be and have been tested. See my post in <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000160" target="_blank">this thread</a> on this very matter.

Huh?

Error No.3. It is accepted because all the evidence leads to no other conclusion. A leap of faith is what you make in the absence of evidence.

Error No.4. Try a Google search on something like antibiotic resistance, myxomatosis in Australian rabbits, lead tolerance in roadside plants, insecticide resistance, Plasmodium (which causes malaria -- why’d you god create that then?) resistance to chloroquinine, or Peter Grant’s work on Galapagos finches. To name a few.

So Morris makes four assertions in that one paragraph, and all four are cobblers. Still trust him to even tell you the time, Tricia?

I agree. It has next to nothing to do with how the earth came into being. It is to do with -- and only to do with -- the living world. And anyway, what you believe is irrelevant. Hindus apparently believe the world was created inside a giant butter churn. The Jatravartid people of Viltvodle VI believe that the entire Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure. If I believe I can fly by jumping up and down shouting eki-eki-eki-ptang, does that mean it’s true?

Why do you think you know enough about it to even comment, when you’ve been using liars like Morris as your guide?

Best wishes, Oolon

hezekiah jones

Ah, the fabulous and talented Henry Morris, who claims in all seriousness that the second law of thermodynamics is what's causing America to move away from Christ. Perfect guy to teach you biology.

Don't be suprised to be greeted with considerable ridicule when you return to "answer in depth."

MrDarwin

It might serve Tricia better if somebody who is more familiar with the book (I don't have a copy) can cite some specific allegations or claims made by Morris in this book that have been definitely disproven (or shown to be blatant falsehoods).

hezekiah jones

I have never even seen this book, but I actually did read Morris' The Troubled Waters Of Evolution, which contains Morris' ridiculous musings on the second law of thermodynamics. That was quite enough to convince me that this doddering old fool is out of his mind.

However there is much comedy within the reader reviews at <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0890510032/customer-reviews/qid=1018638398/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_8/102-9713941-9358502" target="_blank">amazon</a>.

Notably, even christians think it's a useless piece of crap.

(Edited to add one particularly egregious howler:

"[In Chapter 5] The Paluxy 'man-tracks' overlapping those of acknowledged dino prints are described as 'conclusive' 'known' proof, even though the ICR acknowledged twice in 1986 that the 'man-tracks' had been misinterpreted. Morris also tells his readers to watch a video documentary on the subject, even though the film was withdrawn from distribution following the tracks' debunking."

The ICR is just so hopelessly pathetic. Tricia, are you really sure you want to waste your time reading this garbage?)

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Tricia

ok ok ok. So you people don't like him either.

Is there any creationist author that you can tolerate?!?! If so, let me read something by him and we can at least discuss something "civilly."

~Tricia

BTW- I won a computer!! Woohoo!! It was for this essay contest and I got a compaq presario and a $1000 scholarship! YAYNESS!!!

Brian63

Congratulations Tricia! Are they going to be holding another essay contest in the near future??? I'm going to be in the market sometime soon, most likely. What was the essay about?

I'd just like to commend you for reading up on evolution/creationism, as it reveals that you have an intellectual curiosity, which is a very admirable trait to have. If you can balance your readings of creationist and Christian literature with that of evolutionist and counter-Christian (dare I say, atheistic ) books, then you'll be in good shape. Christians of that variety (that are willing to read up on several different sides of Christianity) are a rare breed, IMHO.

Cheers,

Brian

[damn smilies ]

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Tricia

Gracias.

It was the Coca Cola Share the Dream essay contest for the Houston area division. It's held annually, I believe, in most Coca Cola Bottling Co. districts.

The question this year was : "It's been said that education is the key to the future. What keys have you made for yourself to move into the future?" 500 word essay.

But it's only for students in 9th-12th grades.

~Tricia

Mad Kally

Interpretation: All atheists are possessed by the devil and/or are secret Satan worshippers. This would make Michael Ruse an instument of the devil himself. The Baptist way of thinking fell apart because poor Mr. Ruse is not one of us.