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Old 02-27-2003, 12:47 AM   #31
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I'm still interested in your explanation for why human slavery is considered immoral by today's standards. And while your at it, explain why the biblical references to homosexuality being wrong are not equally flawed as the bible's treatment of slavery. Please enlighten us.
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:42 AM   #32
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Compare and contrast:

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Jesus always forgives if you accept him and so gays really have nothing to worry about. If they truly love Jesus and still think it ok to have sex with another of the same sex, then let God sort it out right? Judge not lest ye be judged.
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DO NOT EXPECT THE CHILDREN OF GOD OF ANY RELIGON TO EMBRACE YOUR SICK SODOMISTIC WAYS.
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I am not saying I am any better than a gay person but it is fundamentally wrong if you have any sort of moral standard to accept sexual deviance.
interesting, but predictable. Obvious trolling, but for the sake of humour, lets give cok-boy the benefit of the doubt. It looks like youve read the cliche 'lets spout this at everyone' parts of the Bible, but it also seems you regurgitate but dont absorb. If theres one thing i despise more than fundementalists, its hypocrites. Although the line between the two becomes fuzzier with each dawning day really.

How abouts you go get some of Jesus' hot sweaty man-love and come back when youve learnt something about your religion.
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Hehe I'm not a Christian. Just wanted to argue from the standpoint that is popular out here in Lincoln Neberaska. Decided that I may as well give in to the external societal pressures and follow a religon in order to get along with people I care about better than if I told them I was agnostic. Plus I read a little of Berkeley.

So is there an objective moral standard? If so what is it? It cannot be from the Bible or any other religious text so what is it? How are we to decide of Gay marriages are wrong?
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Old 02-28-2003, 08:55 AM   #34
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This came to my mind as well when I read this thread. So much for the "objective truth", when its followers can subjectively choose to ignore those parts that history to date has shown to be immoral and repressive.

If a Christian believes that the bible is the objective truth with respect to morality, that person should spend as much time advocating for the return of slavery as he/she does opposing homosexuality, abortion, or any other of the currently acceptable forms of Christian sanctimony.
You seem to be a very mixed up kid.

One the one hand, you would consider it mere "santimony" for your sexual partner to hono(u)r you by remaining faithful? Have you told him that?

But on the other hand, you regard owning "slaves" as far worse than "homosexuality, abortion, or any other of the currently acceptable forms of Christian sanctimony". But even slaves tied to agriculture had wives, children, and a reasonable standard of living - better in fact than many free men who had no regular master.

And if you can show me one place in the NT (or OT) where slave trading is promoted or condoned, then please indicate it.
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Old Man:

If I understood what anything in your post had to do with what I stated, I'd respond to it.

About the only thing I think I get is that you are claiming that owning slaves was somehow morally superior to trading them. No offense, but I consider that pure nonsense.
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...slaves tied to agriculture had wives, children, and a reasonable standard of living - better in fact than many free men who had no regular master.
So what's your point? Is slavery acceptable and ethical as long as some free men are worse-off than slaves?

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And if you can show me one place in the NT (or OT) where slave trading is promoted or condoned, then please indicate it.
That the Bible neither condons nor condemns the buying and selling of human beings is irrelevant and does not mitigate its immoral stance on slavery.

A moral guide dictated by a God that values "free-will' would not condone slavery or admonish slaves to obey their masters.

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