lpetrich

foursquareman, why do you cry so much for YEC's?

Their beliefs are contrary to loads of evidence, with the exception of the Philip-Gosse created-appearance variant of YEC, which is unfalsifiable.

I could defend such notions by claiming that I had made up my mind on them, but that would be stupid.

The idea of Jesus Christ miraculously creating marijuana for his followers I thought up as an example of a false belief that randman would vehemently object to; it was inspired by the water-to-wine miracle in John 2.

And Biblical flat-earthism:

Matthew 4:8-9 -- Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me."

Luke 4:5-7 -- And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of he world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, "I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. "Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours."

Revelation 7:1 -- After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

(NASB)

lpetrich

Actually, there was a case where rejection of evolution caused serious trouble. The doctor who transplanted a baboon heart into a certain Baby Fae had decided on that donor after recalling something about protein sequence similarity.

When asked why he had not used a chimp heart, because chimps are closer than baboons to our species, he claimed that he did not believe in evolution.

So rejection of evolution was clearly dangerous in this case.

DonaldW112

I love this example. Do you have a reference or any documentation of this? I think more examples like this where rejection of evolution has proven costly are great to have archived somewhere!

Donald

lpetrich

Any cases of reluctance to accept that evolution of antibiotic and pesticide resistance can happen?

And <a href="http://www.llu.edu/info/legacy/Legacy3.html" target="_blank">here's an account of Baby Fae</a>.

She had been born shortly before October 14, 1984, with hypoplastic left-heart syndrome, and she was brought to the Loma Linda University Medical Center, which had been actively researching heart transplants into human babies. Dr. Leonard Bailey transplanted a baboon heart into her on October 26, and she lasted until November 15. She died of kidney failure, and not rejection of that baboon heart; the aforementioned URL mentioned that "She died from complications related to antibody production, some of which may be preventable with more compatible donor selection".

For the most part, the procedures used in the Baby Fae transplant were sound ones -- with the exception of selection of a baboon instead of a chimp as the heart donor.

Coragyps

Note that Loma Linda is a Seventh-Day Adventist outfit, and tends toward the biblical inerrantist position.

randman

The hypocrisy in here stinks worse than a hog farm.

"Would you be pissed if we said Xianity was total bunk without studying it?"

But sicne you obviously do as well as most of the evolutionists here, please post the seminary degrees you possess.

"I'm afraid I'm not the one who believes in people turning water into wine, or coming back from the dead."

Are you trying to claim this isn't intentionally denigrating Christianity?

Also the comment about if you don't have a degree in evolutionary biology, your opinion means nothing was quite laughable. I suspect quite a few of your fellow evolutionists here don't have that degree, and perhaps you don't either.

KeithHarwood

I was under the impression that the baboon heart was chosen mainly on the grounds of compatible size and plumbing.

scigirl

randman, most of us have honestly evaluated Christianity. Many of us are former Christians, and have read the bible, and all that. We honestly, with open minds, evaluated the evidence for and against your particular religion. And this is why we are atheists, not because we were simply born into it, like so many Christians.

scigirl

Jack the Bodiless

Randman:
There is one crucial distinction here.

Atheists with seminary degrees DO EXIST.

Creationists with degrees in Evolutionary Biology DO NOT EXIST.

Secular Pinoy

<a href="http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/dawkins_21_4.html" target="_blank">Sadly, an Honest Creationist</a> by Richard Dawkins