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Rhea · 02-11-2003, 08:24 AM

Radorth - THAT'S what you decided to answer????

edited - I just saw your follow up post... sorry.

My questions are insulting? Whaaaat?

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And yes it is mirroring. And anybody who, after much discussion, asks me inane questions like "should we show kids how good drugs are" is deserving of whatever snide remarks I can think of. I gave sincere answers to Rhea's questions, at first , but all she can do is invent more and more stupid ones. This is no different than a PERSONAL INSULT, and in fact patronizing questions are worse.

And Jesus mirrors? That was his style?

Wow, Rad. Wow. Take a deep breath man. Are you SURE that's what you see?

Wow. That's all I can say. Rad, you just slid really quickly into an abyss of name-calling. That was pretty dramatic! Do you think you can get back on topic and discuss the topic instead of just calling it stupid and a personal insult?

Wow.

WOW!

Rhea · 02-11-2003, 08:53 AM

Okay, getting over my shock at your post, let me answer a couple of your questions/statements...

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And yes it is mirroring. And anybody who, after much discussion, asks me inane questions like "should we show kids how good drugs are" is deserving of whatever snide remarks I can think of.

Interesting, since "deserving whatever snide comments" indicates that snide comments are, in general a kind, loving, christian (if you will) and productive thing to do in your belief system. Interesting.

But anyway, why is that inane? It was a sincere question. You stated that God should not hid from us the bad choices. He should NOT shield us from them. So my question was quite relevant and not inane. I shield my kids from the nature of drugs until they are wise enough to understand logical reasons to avoid them. THAT is what I am proposing that god do. THAT is what I am asking you to consider. If we as parents think it is right and proper to remove the temptation of bad choices until wisdom to consider them is achieved, then why wouldn't God have the same goal.

Can you see how this is NOT a personal insult? It is NOT an inane question?

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I gave sincere answers to Rhea's questions, at first ,

You gave an answer that I went on to discuss further. What is wrong with that? Was I supposed to just stop asking because your answer is so Right and Clear? Well it wasn't. Clear on why it's right.

Rad, this is a DISCUSSION. It's not a lecture. You don't just fly in like a seagull, poop on the discussion and then close the book feeling like you're done. You seem INSULTED when people try to talk through your ideas. Why is that?

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but all she can do is invent more and more stupid ones. This is no different than a PERSONAL INSULT, and in fact patronizing questions are worse.

Oh go take a pill. This is not some evil persecution of Radorth. I'm not out to get you. This is no "PERSONAL INSULT". It's a discussion of ideas.

Do you have any, or what?

Radorth · 02-11-2003, 08:56 AM

Thoughtful readers will note how we slipped into personal attacks and went from insinuting good Christians are terroists to saying how they should be more gentle. This kind of cynical, hypocritical thinking is worthy of little kindness IMO.

Perhaps there is greater love in telling people the truth instead of letting them go their merry way. God knows Jesus cared more for currying the truth than man's favor.

Rad

Rhea · 02-11-2003, 09:01 AM

Let me offer you another analogy to consider, since the drugs one seems too loaded for you.

My 3yo son is at the dinner table. My husband is dishout out a casserole to son's plate (a delectable concoction of ham and rice and beans and pineapple, made especially sweet by virtue of having been cooked by him - that always makes food taste better when someone else cooks it...),

and he says, "I know some kids don't like their food all mixed together but remember that you like all of the things in this dish..."

to which I cry out, "Aaack! Leading the Witness!" and mumble, "don't give him ideas, honey! What are you thinking! He doesn't know to object to food mixing yet!"

THAT is what I mean. Did that make more sense for you?
THAT is what I mean by God not making bad choices possible.

If you don't want Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, then whatEVER posessed you to put the stupid tree in their stupid GARDEN?

(Rad, are you a parent?)

Rhea · 02-11-2003, 09:04 AM

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Thoughtful readers will note how we slipped into personal attacks and went from insinuting good Christians are terroists to saying how they should be more gentle. This kind of cynical, hypocritical thinking is worthy of little kindness IMO.

Son (I say to my 3yo), when someone treats you badly like hitting, what should you do?

"I should walk away Mama"

Yes, Radorth, you should walk away, not hit back.

(can you get back on TOPIC please?)

Rhea · 02-11-2003, 09:07 AM

Okay, just felt the full force of this...

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Thoughtful readers will note how we slipped into personal attacks and went from insinuting good Christians are terroists to saying how they should be more gentle.

Say, yeah, that _IS_ a personal attack.

You Christians! You be more gentle!!

Aaaaaaaahhh She's attacking us!!!! NO!!
Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

Radorth · 02-11-2003, 09:20 AM

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Rad, this is a DISCUSSION. It's not a lecture. You don't just fly in like a seagull, poop on the discussion and then close the book feeling like you're done. You seem INSULTED when people try to talk through your ideas. Why is that?

That's a lecture in itself which tells me you have little intention of talking through them. I'm not insulted by some atheist's questions at all. But, few as the respectful ones may be, they don't treat me like I'm an idiot. You do, in effect. Your question about whether we should tell kids how good drugs are is simply tendentious.

And the following is what?

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I am talking about when we have someone making bad choices because they are not mentally equipped to make good choices all of the time, we supervise them. Down Syndrome people, especially those at the severe end, are generally supervised throughout their lives. To help them live safe lives and lives that are not detrimental to society. That's what I mean by maintaining boundaries. I never said lock them up. Why are you going there and sounding like this is some cruel state? Are you saying you DON'T agree to lifelong supervision for the retarded? You think they should be "allowed" to get robbed and raped? And perhaps commit crimes because they don't have the wisdom for good choices?

No, I'm not changing premises at all. People who have mental limitations are CARED FOR by society because they can't do it themselves. We "force" them to be "good" by removing their ability to choose bad. I don't know about you, but _I_ consider this to be a GOOD action. Humane, caring, loving. We're not turning them into Robots, we are calling them _happier_ when they can be cocooned in an environment where only good choices are possible.

I'm sorry. That's you lecturing again Rhea, and it's full of hyperbole which is obvious to anyone but a moron. Right? And it's not a good analogy unless you think God should make everybody mentally ill or leave them as dumb as a toddler so he can "cacoon" them.

You are comparing adults to kids as if there were little difference. For one thing God does tell parents to shield their children, so again your analogy fails. He also tells us to shield the weak which Christians do as well as anyone. As a matter of fact, most atheists complain about how Christians shield their children, and even themselves from the snares of the world. So again, you are just giving me more evidence of the irrational, unprincipled thinking which skeptic's claim they alone don't do.

Rad

Radorth · 02-11-2003, 09:29 AM

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(can you get back on TOPIC please?)

Says Rhea after lecturing Radorth on his personal faults.

Actually Rhea, all the thngs you are seeing in me, are actually in you. This is how we justify our own sins. But again, we all have our hypocritical stuff, don't we?

Rad

Chrestomathy · 02-11-2003, 09:46 AM

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Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Thoughtful readers will note how we slipped into personal attacks and went from insinuting good Christians are terroists to saying how they should be more gentle. This kind of cynical, hypocritical thinking is worthy of little kindness IMO. Perhaps there is greater love in telling people the truth instead of letting them go their merry way. God knows Jesus cared more for currying the truth than man's favor. Rad

02-11-2003, 09:01 AM	#54
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Let me offer you another analogy to consider, since the drugs one seems too loaded for you. My 3yo son is at the dinner table. My husband is dishout out a casserole to son's plate (a delectable concoction of ham and rice and beans and pineapple, made especially sweet by virtue of having been cooked by him - that always makes food taste better when someone else cooks it...), and he says, "I know some kids don't like their food all mixed together but remember that you like all of the things in this dish..." to which I cry out, "Aaack! Leading the Witness!" and mumble, "don't give him ideas, honey! What are you thinking! He doesn't know to object to food mixing yet!" THAT is what I mean. Did that make more sense for you? THAT is what I mean by God not making bad choices possible. If you don't want Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, then whatEVER posessed you to put the stupid tree in their stupid GARDEN? (Rad, are you a parent?)

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