Invader Tak

Uh, my point is that people without the "blood of Jesus" are not necessarily evil.

...and I came up with that all by myself!

I don't need *any*2000 year old book of myths to tell me that (or anything else) either!

iversong

I can understand with that.

But staying true to what I believe, the Bible (which you don't believe and that's fine with me) says that if we don't have the "blood of Jesus," it doesn't matter if you're evil, you will not be saved.

7thangel

Why should I believe you? You just cut my post and get the only thing you wanted to understand. Now, there are lot of Christians who pick and choose what to believe in the Bible, and unfortunately, you do the same when you deal with all Christians. Even of what you did to my post. Is that open mindedness? I don't think so.

7thangel

You disagree, "except....." God did not so. Actually, God bestowed His love on us even before we were sinners. And none is actually able to make himself righteous. And it is God Himself who changes us into godly vessels. Ephesians 2:10 said, For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God had before ordained that we should walk in them."

WWSD

I stand by my disagreement. In your original statement to me you made it appear as if humans were incapable of love without expecting profit or out of obligation. I still beleive that this isn't true. Are you saying that god is capable of love despite being punched in the face? While I myself would have to question my love of someone who abuses me, I am sure you could find cases which fit that criteria.

However, I am still not entirely clear what "god is love" means.
Without having ever experienced his god, I am sure I most probably never will.

rainbow walking

The god of the OT appears to operate under a vastly different standard of love and justice than the god of the NT.

2 Kings 2:23 _And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 _And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Apparently god's version of love and justice can be circumvented...or exposed...by a simple curse, to such a degree that 42 children are murdered for calling a bald headed prophet (Elisha) baldy.

Luv 'em to death

GrandDesigner

Although I read a lot of text of conjecture on this topic, the question clearly asks 'Is God Love?'

It, as I'll say time and time again, amuses me greatly to see and read all the reasoning people feel they have to present to further imply their meaning.

God is Love. And yes, that's a period at the end!


Grand Ol Designer

Shinobi

For the theists:
Why is God love? Is God hate? or envy or ambivelance?
Another thing: Atheism is love, Zeus is love and so is IPU. Are there statements true? Why or why not?

It doesn't mean anything. That's why this thread exists. I'm not even sure it's a proper sentence. If God is love I'd like to see some evidence for that.

John Page

In this statement, the definition of god violates the Law of Identity. "God is Love" is a silly homily, a meaningless matchbox philosophy, a paradoxical paroxysm aimed at having people succumb to a belief in god because they think love is good.

Next, John

7thangel

As I have said, God is the one responsible for us to becoming good. So, God will not make us to be against Him.(be reminded of Ephesians 2:10). When God bestows love on us he changes us into good so that we will not harm others. If God will not change us, then surely, you will question God's love when harmed by an unchanged evil person.

I think you keep unconsciously insisting the omnibenevolence where God should love all. But I am saying that "no one" is really worthy of God's love. Thus, the love of God that is bestowed upon is is actually grace. And grace is not something given because of obligation, or because of debt. But in any case, surely, god loves "all" whom He had chosen.